BeyondMachines 6d ago
You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.
Show threadKepeken
@beyondmachines1 Why are so many of these anti-ai posts so obviously written by an LLM?
May 31 at 8:43amWeb
Show threadpgcd6d ago

@kepeken spacing paragraphs and using short sentences is not an indicator of LLMs. It's what we used to call "effective writing" back when I was young.
Which is why it's used by LLMs, of course, since they're trained on stuff that survived and is available (so, likely, the most effective).
Also, it's been the standard communication style on LinkedIn for several years as well so any corpo would probably try to emulate it.

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Show thread⁡jaseg 🔜 GPN246d ago
@pgcd @kepeken to me that also read as LLM slop, and not just because of the short sentences.
Show threadpgcd6d ago

@jaseg I know, and I agree that it _looks_ like AI slop. But that doesn't mean it _is_ AI slop, since the whole point of LLMs is to make stuff that looks like a human could've written it.
Not all cans of Campbell's soup are a Warhol painting, I mean (although some are).

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Show threaddatenwolf5d ago

@pgcd @jaseg @kepeken

<benefit of="doubt">
Maybe it's deliberate, to make it easier to ingest and digest by people who's brain already marinated in LLM slop so much, that they're incapable of comprehending any other style <benefit> (/s)

Show threadpgcd5d ago

@datenwolf Unironically, that could be a reason (not saying it is).
If you're talking to LinkedInsane people, it might be easier to use their way of communicating, than attempting to break through otherwise.
Cthulhu knows how poorly my posts have fared on linkedin, even when I wrote important stuff like "today I'm bored as fuck"

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Show threadKepeken5d ago

@pgcd

That is a great way to describe the motivation someone would have to get AI to rewrite or write a post for them.

Show threadpgcd5d ago
@kepeken unfortunately I think you're right. Having an LLM (re-) write something for me is something I find as appealing as having somebody drink my beer for me, though, so my opinions on the motivation of somebody who does that, are necessarily flawed.
Show threadKepeken5d ago
@pgcd some people are looking for self-expression (truth as you understand it, questions, unique views, ideas that someone else won't understand unless they are open to you), others for a successful post in terms of attention (AI, dog-piling, takes they know are false but will get approval from the crowd, false accusations, etc.)
Show threadDźwiedziu6d ago

@jaseg @kepeken
Folx, don't accuse other people of slop if you're basing on vibes only.

As @pgcd mentioned “AI” extrusions are designed to mimic human works.

And yes, you can fondle a prompt to do this, yet I would argue that there is less chance for an “AI”-critical person to do this.

Show threadpgcd6d ago

@dzwiedziu well said.

Also, TBH, this is one case where I agree with the message enough that I'd be sharing it even if it had been written by Elmo Skum.

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Show threadRockgecko5d ago
@dzwiedziu @jaseg @kepeken @pgcd The vibes in question:
Show threadRockgecko5d ago
@dzwiedziu @jaseg @kepeken @pgcd tho I have now found Pangram finds other "LinkedInsane" type posts AI, so can't be sure
Show threadKepeken5d ago
@rockgecko_dev @dzwiedziu @jaseg @pgcd good luck finding a control group sample of human-written "linked in" posts...
Show threadHazelnoot5d ago
@rockgecko_dev @dzwiedziu @jaseg @kepeken @pgcd you know those "AI detector" tools are a scam, right?
Show threadRockgecko5d ago
@hazelnoot @dzwiedziu @jaseg @kepeken @pgcd yes https://aus.social/@rockgecko_dev/116672378083534238
Rockgecko (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] tho I have now found Pangram finds other "LinkedInsane" type posts AI, so can't be sure

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Show threadDźwiedziu5d ago

@hazelnoot
Worse, they're also “AI” \s

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Show thread💙🩷💜Brett🐡🍉🐧5d ago
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An AI detector tool recently decided that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was written by AI

Show threadRockgecko5d ago
@brettm @dzwiedziu @jaseg @kepeken @pgcd debunked here. All except "ZeroGPT" (including Pangram) found it human https://lindac.substack.com/i/192171264/4-pangram-fully-human-written
No, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein doesn't really test positive for AI

We need to talk about how AI detection really works

Hello, Writer!
Show thread💙🩷💜Brett🐡🍉🐧5d ago
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No, that is not "debunked." All it shows that when the second person did it those AI agent found it to be written by human. That bears no relationship to what was found when the first person did it. Maybe the first person made the whole thing up. Maybe someone at the AI company saw the post and added some exception to stop their LLM looking useless. Maybe the LLM ingeted more data in the meantime and got better at predicting. I don't know. And you don't know either. Since neither of us know, nothing got debunked.


Show threadLicho5d ago

@jaseg these days even people adopt the "AI style" because they read so much of it. It's a brain disease

@pgcd @kepeken

Show threadSiderea, Sibylla Bostoniensis5d ago

@jaseg If that reads to you as AI slop, at this point you should probably seriously entertain the possibility that you actually don't know what AI slop is like and are bad at telling what is and isn't AI slop.

@pgcd @kepeken

Show thread⁡jaseg 🔜 GPN245d ago
@siderea lol
Show threadFierce Luddite5d ago
@jaseg @[email protected] this, is always the greatest response to a troll. (This person is a therapist. 😬)
Show threadMikalai5d ago
@jaseg @pgcd @kepeken
Slop has no sunbtance. This does.
Show threadWesDym5d ago
@kepeken What gives you that impression? Please don't tell me that you're one of those people who confuses competent literacy with fakery.
Show threadKepeken5d ago

@wesdym It's because it's structured like this:

No X. No Y. Just Z.

And also
You didn't X. You YYYY.

Then there's the fact that "the AI stops when it runs out of tokens" is not a fitting expression. It shows a sentence written with an understanding of the context and English, but not the mechanics behind the topic.

None of these prove that a human did not write it, so I said "why are so many" instead of "why is this" directly. (Since, if you have 10 80% chances you have a lot of examples.)

Show threadWesDym5d ago

@kepeken Um, okay, sure, whatever.

It's a nice day to go for a walk. I suggest that.

Show threadWesDym5d ago
@kepeken For that matter, I'm taking 30 days away from you, in the hopes that touching grass does you some good.
Show threadM Schommer GPN242d ago

@kepeken
What's wrong with the mechanics of that "the AI stops when it runs out of tokens" sentence?

@wesdym

Show threadMycotropic5d ago

@kepeken @beyondmachines1

Drop in, stir some shit, ghost; I know that pattern as well and the response is; #WhackATroll good bye