screwlispOkay, next week can we rename the show #antislop climate
Edit: Milder language
Vassil Nikolov | Васил НиколовBe careful what you ask for.
In this case we are too likely to get that, maybe even in our lifetimes...
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"Is this the world we created..."
@vnikolov I think Alex Schroeder originally (?) popularized the tag on the mastodon as the general banner of resistance to slopification.
I remember wishing that my enemies be foolish, and just look how that turned out so far.
Yes.
I just wouldn't use "jihad" lightly myself, not even in jest.
But that is off-topic.
Digital Mark λ ☕️ 8647@vnikolov @screwlisp I certainly don't use it lightly, I mean #ButlerianJihad exactly as Frank Herbert coined it.
Men used machines to do their thinking for them, then other men used the machines to control. Then the only option was a violent uprising, smashing all the control machines & reinstating Human reason.
The religious connotation is not my favorite, but Jihad just means a struggle over morality.
DougMerritt (log😅 = 💧log😄)@mdhughes
Not everyone knows or remembers, so a reminder is in order: Frank Herbert's "Butlerian Jihad" was an uprising of humans against the AIs that had enslaved humanity.
It doesn't connote violence against humans at all, even though these days the word "jihad" does to many or most English speakers.
(As @mdhughes said, literally it means struggle, not something like 'massacre')
However most people are not science fiction fans like me nor will recall the brief mention even if they saw the Dune movie, so there is always risk of misunderstanding with the phrase out of context.
Mason Loring Bliss@vnikolov @screwlisp Jihad isn't that loaded a word.
@mason wrote:
«Jihad isn't that loaded a word.»
That depends on the point of view (among other things).
Mine is partly centered in the Balkans, and let's say this subject has been rather complicated here since the early 8th century...
@vnikolov @mason @screwlisp
> Jihad isn't that loaded a word.
The dictionary definition is one thing, popular understanding is another.
The general populace doesn't know many many many dictionary definitions.
> Mine is partly centered in the Balkans, and let's say this subject has been rather complicated here
Quite. Same with Americans, most of whom became aware of the word in connection with terrorists in recent decades.
@dougmerritt @vnikolov @screwlisp I became aware of "weapons of mass destruction" around the same time, and don't take things at face value any more.
𝓙. 𝓜.@dougmerritt "The dictionary definition is one thing, popular understanding is another. The general populace doesn't know many many many dictionary definitions."
See, e.g. "hacker" vs. "cracker". What is supposed to be high praise is more popularly applied to scumbuckets.
(cc. @vnikolov @mason @screwlisp)