myrmepropagandist

RE: https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/116557781352191773

I had the WRONG ID on these ants.

To make an excuse I fist saw this colony two years ago when I wasn't as good at identifying ants (this implies that I'm good at it now, I'm not, I'm just much better)

Any way this is isn't the chestnut carpenter ant. It's Formica pallidefulva.

And I'm mad since It was staring me in the face. Her antennae are too close to her clypeus and her back isn't enough of a "hump"

Formica pallidefulva comes in a bunch of different colors just to be confusing.

May 27 at 12:39amWeb
Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago

Here is one reason I know the Camponotus ID is wrong. You see the "clypeus" is basically the ant upper lip? The plate right above the mandibles.

In carpenter ants the antennae are set a bit above it. There is a gap. Makes them look a bit like cabbage patch kids.

But in the ants I was observing look? No gap at all. Her antennae are attached right to the top of the clypeus.

Now we can all avoid this mistake in the future.

Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago
There are a bunch of other reasons but this is what I learned while reading "The Carpenter Ants of the United States and Canada" which is a pretty good book that goes into detail about what makes a "carpenter" a carpenter.
Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago

"There is a generally gradual color change-over along a north-south cline. The dividing line between the color morphs seems to be just south of the St. Louis, Missouri area."

LIES LIES LIES

Why is the bright yellow one all the way up in NYC? These ants come in a bunch of "color morphs" and it's very confusing.

Color isn't a good way to tell ants apart... except when it is.

Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago
Any time you see "-- group" or "-- species complex" you are in for a baaaad time trying to identify a bug.
Show threadneville park5d ago
@futurebird see also "wastebasket taxon", "probably polyphyletic", "in need of revision" (generally for at least 50 years...)
Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago

@nev

"in need of revision"

Show threadneville park5d ago
@futurebird seeing "in need of revision" in some "$FAMILY of the World" catalogue...
...from like 1981...
...and it's the most recent catalogue of the whole family...
Show threadneville park5d ago
@futurebird I hear in other branches of science, like astrophysics or whatever, they look askance if your references are more than 10 years old. Meanwhile I've seen taxonomists on old Science Twitter asking for tips on Latin translation because they need to go back to some species description from 1831
Show threadSam Levine5d ago
@nev @futurebird This is highly field dependent. Chemistry people will happily cite stuff that's 50+ years old if it's relevant to the discussion. I was in a seminar today where the guy brought up a paper published by Linus Pauling in 1953.
Show threadsofia ☮️🏴5d ago

@futurebird brain fart:

polyphyletic (but abelian) group.

Show threadllewelly5d ago
@futurebird
The first law of taxonomists: Each generation of taxonomists shall create far too much work for the succeeding generation.
Show threadllewelly5d ago

@futurebird
reminds me of the old joke:

"Are ants christian?"

"No, but carpenter ants will cheerily remind you that Jesus was a carpenter."

Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago
TBH until a few years ago I thought that "clypeus" was some guy from WV.
Show threadveebs5d ago
@futurebird these notes give me flashbacks to grass IDs
Show threadmyrmepropagandist5d ago

@SarraceniaWilds

I don't even want to know. I have been trying to learn my "basic trees" and it's been a little painful.

Grass... that sounds like some advanced stuff.

Show threadveebs5d ago
@futurebird deciduous trees winter id is fun. and yeah. grass ID is reserved for the true plant perverts.