Reminder: There are no accounts in the classic sense anywhere with #chatmail or #deltachat.
It's all private profiles on end user devices which co-ordinate in a #p2p fashion. Chat profiles *use* email (relay) addresses for transporting messages through a federated e2ee-restricted SMTP network.
A chat profile or chat group has zero data on the server. It's radically different from classic email servers, Whatsapp, Signal, XMPP and Matrix servers which host and control chat identity.
@delta I really like the concept but have zero energy to convince my peers to switch to a new platform/technology
Maybe some day
@Ketakater well Signal is sort-of the consensus advice right now, but clearly it is centralized, and US-based, i think eventually the consensus advice has to change.(or Signal has to dramatically change)
Do think a little, also the fewer wires it hits the better too, i.e. it should use the local network if possible.
For instance syncthing uses QUIC to do that i think. @delta
Whether it's corporations or governments, there's just too much digital spying going on today. Tox is an easy to use application that connects you with friends and family without anyone else listening in. While other big-name services require you to pay for features, Tox is totally free and comes without advertising โ forever.
we can't offer a full comparison but here are three key points:
1. Tox is not a cross-platform user offering like #deltachat, but more an infrastructure library like https://github.com/chatmail/core
2. Tox can only transfer messages between contacts who are online at the same time. complicates mobile usage.
3. Tox depends on a global distributed hash table (DHT) to find other contacts; doesn't work in highly restricted networks like during national internet shutdowns/larger failures etc.
@delta Is there a technical architectural document about the system somewhere? I've tried finding one already couple of times but search engines are not liking my queries for this.
A self-contained blog article would be also fine ๐
@delta I think what would be helpful is a document that describes a "lifetime" of a single message and the systems and components that are involved in processing and forwarding it. Also for group communication.
There seems to exist separate documentation bits for individual things (like on cosmos) but I'm having trouble finding system level documents.
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