@chartier BWAHAHAHAHA...Oh, dear sweet naive child. In some economic systems just COMPLAINING that they were being fed spoiled food measurably could kill them faster than the tainted goods themselves. You think it's capitalism forcing one quarter of north korea to starve to death? Capitalism that created the Holodomor?
Become a better student of history. Regulations in many nations were ENTIRELY because it's ruling class enjoyed them was standard faire across the world until the late 1800's.
@Beggarmidas @chartier yeah sorry you have been endoctrinatef by the retarded us departement of education.
@joel_falcou @chartier ....If you only knew even a fraction of how badly off base you are....I didnt have academic opportunities. I didn't even have a real chance to graduate from high school. I had to get my GED at 17. Why? Because i was randomly singled out for special abuse during the satanicpanic by hysterical zealots staffing PUHSD.
Now i'm not a man given to wantonly hurt, but if you'd said such a thing to my face at any point after age 15 you'd shortly be finding yourself spitting teeth.
@joel_falcou @chartier I am what I am DESPITE a public school system wanting me dead. I educated myself as I travelled the world on the survival skills I was forced to perfect just to survive those years. I always had 2-3 college textbooks in my duffel to read filling dead time between gigs.
I don't let SM OP-ED bug me. But you've unintentionally stumbled into a minefeild because of all the lost life opportunities I might have had if it were even remotely true. knowing that now, care to reframe?
@Beggarmidas @chartier I don't recall asking for your sob stories. Those tired argument about "but the soviet union" are tiring. Usa style capitalism is a piece of shit that is killing the planet. But keep being a boomer

@Beggarmidas @chartier

Regulations became necessary due to so-called absentee landlords who were hard to lynch (for obvious reasons) if they overstepped social rules. And as is well-known, absentee landlords exist due to capitalism promoting them as the #1 way to add wealth. Unionbusting to keep labour down is also non-nonviolent.

Also: both your examples are of state capitalistic systems working under threat of war. Food poverty isn't limited presently to North Korea, as you well know.

@iju @chartier You, uh do understand that socialism doesn't:
scale worth a fuck for populations over 34 million, give or take because overwhelmed care quality drops off a delivery cliff
-Population spread out over vast geographic areas predominatedf extreme low pop densities directly contravening a planned economy's need to centralize production & care
-doesn't work well in culturally diverse populations due to it's creation of extreme & often incompatible range of delivery expectation
@iju @chartier You I HOPE did enough homework on the position you're advocating to understand that the country you're talking about applying it to HAS ALL THREE PREXISTING known points of socialism collapsing IN PLAY. RIGHT?
Whats preferable? Working on improving a damaged system?
Breaking the too large system into small enough national boxes to force the square peg in the round hole out of pure spite?
Forcing a bad fit into a total crash so NOBODY gets a fuck'n thing from ANYONE?

@Beggarmidas @chartier

I didn't fully understand you. The thing about speaking in foreign languages is that you tend to have a limited registry, and people shouting at you is seldom covered in a classroom.

But about what I was talking above: I thank you not to question my basic competency in my chosen profession. I don't claim to be perfect, and I do mistakes, but I did graduate.

@Beggarmidas I don't live in North Korea or Ukraine, and neither does Dr Ellie Murray, ScD.