So, in my social media bubble, I've repeatedly had people my age say young people don't like Ai. And, in these stories, the young people in question typically give appealing-to-millennials stories about not using Ai. But here's a survey from Pew that's likely underestimating since it's 6 months old.
Most interesting is the near 50% use for fun! So you can't say it's just because they're forced to use it.
Now it could be the people in my bubble just have particularly enlightened kids who also always tell the truth, but one suspects that at least some people are getting teens to tell them exactly what they'd like to hear.
Mostly I find this funny, but given the relatively high incidence of use for emotional support, honest conversation would probably be preferable.
Quality of education is my guess. More money typically gets you a better education, and a better ability to smell bullshit. The less educated get a plausible answer, and don't have the background to challenge it.
@lxskllr @ZachWeinersmith having seen all the stupid shit monied people do I call BS on the "better ability to smell BS" claim.
Another explanation is that parents in higher income households on average have more free time to help out with their kids homework, so less need to turn to chatbots.
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LLMs then are the MacDonald's of information resources. Cheap, quick and kinda crappy.
I think we should consider the possibility that both are true: they actively dislike it and they use it a lot, even for fun.
This is often true of social media. It could be true of AI.
Mostly, we probably need to disambiguate the phrase "liking it". I generally enjoy and get something out of interactions with ChatGPT. I also hate OpenAI with a passion and I'm deeply worried about the impact of AI and wish it would slow down.
@ZachWeinersmith Come to think of it, there are tons of examples. Eating meat. Flying. Drinking. Meeting certain people.
We constantly do things for fun that on some other level we don't like.
@pbloem They actually have data that somewhat supports what you're saying:
Though I worry a little that it's hard to phrase this question without making it seem like the right answer is no.
This is a frustrating way to present the data. It looks like they used a 5-point Likert scale. If so, it could just be variance, and the girls are also 27% positive, with 46% neutral.
@jsbarretto @ZachWeinersmith This is why I worry about people who argue āAI is worthless and bad at everything and nobody wants it, and one day it will vanishā because these statements are obviously incorrect, and stating them as facts dilutes the many *actual* arguments against LLMs (IP theft, dehumanization, cognitive drain, misinformation, corporate surveillance and control, environmental damage, etc).
Weāre in a huge bubble, and it will pop, but LLMs arenāt going to magically vanish as some claim, because a huge number of folks *do* use and enjoy them. Denying that reality only harms anti-LLM causes.
@gregly @jsbarretto @ZachWeinersmith You're flattening the argument. We're not saying one day all LLMs will vanish because nobody likes this, we're saying that if not enough, people remain aboard this hype train, the financials don't make a lick of sense.
Open AI, Anthropic, etc. need basically every single person on the planet to be completely on board, otherwise they'll keep losing insane amounts of money. It's a corporate Ponzi scheme.
@ZachWeinersmith To be fair, "have ever used" is quite a wide open clause.
You can use it yourself but dislike it in a wider sense. For example, I've used LLMs for brainstorming for #ttrpg prep and found it useful. But I don't like how heavily they're being pushed, the environmental impact, the devaluing of creativity, etc.
And if it becomes an addiction, you can become hooked on it while recognising that this is a bad thing
@ZachWeinersmith I think the exact wording of the question is important. The way it is formulated, someone who tried aidungeon once and didn't like it would still have to answer "yes" to "For fun or entertainment".
A better question than "have ever used AI chatbots ..." would probably be "frequently use AI chatbots ..." or "use AI chatbots at least once a month for ...".
@ZachWeinersmith Arguably the fun/entertainment part *is* what they like about it. What they don't like are all the other factors (harming artists, affecting job market, big tech control, environment, fascism-enabling, etc.)
Don't confuse "dislike" with total abstinence. That's a much harder bar to clear.
@ZachWeinersmith Might be context?
I don't think anybody likes the content-farm AI slop that's filling up TikTok and YouTube, and other forms of media that's largely aimed at teens.
So in that context, it's 100% believable that they would say they "hate AI". Vehemently and truthfully.
But that's not really the question you were interested in.
@apLundell @ZachWeinersmith Our kid is 16 and he hates AI. The kids literally use āAIā now as a derogatory term.
All the AI-first businesses are going to be in a world of pain when these kids grow up.
Yeah, that's not incompatible with using it yourself for shit-posts or light research, though.
When I do a thing in moderation, it doesn't count.
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