Becca

The Army lost our fancy new scope:

"So where is it? We dropped $2.7 billion on buying them"

I think it's missing because the M7 and M157 weigh too damn much. 9.84 lbs w/ suppressor, add a lb for a sling, 2.67 lbs for the new optic, and 2 lbs for a loaded magazine of only 20 rounds, 10 less than the M4.. and you get a 15 lb gun with only 20 rounds and a shortened barrel life that nobody wants to carry in combat.

https://youtu.be/jzMMwTpyuX8

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The Army's Fancy New Scope Is Missing

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Show threadBeccaApr 26
needs to be at least 4.5 lbs lighter and carry 10 more rounds to be even in the same ballpark as the rest of the world
Show threadDBApr 26
@bweller In the olden days, like with the M1, the goal was an 8 pound gun for the infantry. I’m not a soldier but the setup you’re describing sounds too damn heavy
Show threadBeccaApr 26

@lawyersgunsnmoney yep, 8, 8.5 lbs loaded, with sling and optic is the magic number with 12 being an absolute max in my mind

and 12 is a lot to swing around. thats a benchrest gun

better if you can get it down to 6.5 lbs in total

i dislike how estimates always leave out the surpriser, loaded mag, sling, optic, and mounting hardware

they all gotta be swung around

Show threadDBApr 26
@bweller that’s where the AR is with 5.56/.223 so 🤷‍♂️ You’re right. It’s why the Army went from 30-06 to 308 to 223 - weight of mags and all that other stuff
Show threadBeccaApr 26

@lawyersgunsnmoney yep lol 😂 pretty much this guy's point is.. for most soldiers, we already have a better, cheaper thing in use

we'd be better off spending the money on drones and carbon fiber barrels, both of which share a tech base

rifles are primarily a self-defense weapon these days

Show threadwy knottApr 26

@bweller @lawyersgunsnmoney "better" depends on the spec. AR platform with .223 is good to 600 yds, then the round tumbles and ballistic performance goes to shit. The whole reason we had a new rifle program is that real battlefield engagement distances were getting longer, and .30 caliber carries farther with better performance. Mass matters too, not just velocity, especially for resisting side forces and maintaining rotational inertia.

AR in .308 would be fine, and the SCAR already exists.

Show threadwy knottApr 26
@bweller @lawyersgunsnmoney But then they added all this squad automatic rifle bullshit, and open/closed bolt firing and tried to do too much and built an elephant instead of an assault rifle. That's what happens when you design by comittee, pretty sure Heinlein said that 75 years ago.
Show threadBeccaApr 26

@wyatt_h_knott the only way to design a rifle by committee is to make each of them hold it out at arms length in one hand for the entire process. they can work with the other hand.

frankly the design spec should include a max overall weight as fitted out for real world use, with everything that will ever hang off it

and then split that into a weight budget by component

@lawyersgunsnmoney

Show threadFlash Mob Of OneApr 26
@bweller Wow.