Amy Diehl, Ph.D.21h ago
Study (N=2,689) of men (18-34) finds 95.1% reported using strategies to get a woman to have sex who they knew did not want sex & had not consented; 65% successful. Consistent physical pressure & verbal coercion common; overt force, physical restraint, pain also used. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605261432630
Show threadgabriel21h ago

@amydiehl OK, but the paper was focused on that demographic:

"This research was designed to focus on men who admit having intentionally and knowingly sexually aggressed against a woman who they knew did not want sex nor consented to it, including strategies to overcome her reluctance, circumstances, motivations, and positive and negative outcomes."

Show threadgabriel21h ago

@amydiehl

I'm not coming to argue "not all men", but from reading the tooth one walks away with the idea that 95% of men force women to have sex, and that is not what the article says at all. What it claims is that of a population that admits to intentionally sexually aggressed woman, 95% report to use strategies to get a woman to have sex when she hasn't consented.

I mean, clearly the paper itself claims "not all men".

Show threadiwein8h ago

@gabriel
#notAllMen is the problem where this argument is used "to deflect attention away from men".

Imho you're not doing that.

Obviously, even if only a small fraction of men are doing this shit (and we know it's not a small fraction), all men are obligated to do better to make it stop. You didn't say anything against that. I wish you were not attacked over this and we could focus on the problem at hand with knowledge of the real data 🙇‍♀️

Show threadJuno Jove5h ago
@iwein @gabriel
The plea is rather "All Men until No Men", where #NotAllMen tries to turn the argument away from the systemic matter, absolving one or some individuals, while ignoring the fact that even "nice" men benefit quite significantly every day from a system that oppresses women.
Show threadJuno Jove5h ago
@iwein @gabriel
Analogy:
Just as the northern hemisphere's economy and way of life still benefits quite significantly from the past era of colonization, even in countries that participated less in it.
Show threadiwein

@jupiter thanks for the clarification. I copy pasted from Wikipedia, but your language is more clear. We do agree, right?

@gabriel

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Show threadJuno Jove4h ago
@iwein @gabriel
I suppose :)
I wanted to add, not negate.
Show threadiwein3h ago

@jupiter
Thx. I definitely want to make sure that if I'm wrong on such issues, that I take the feedback and better myself 😁

@gabriel