so when i dislike changes in software i’m “weird” and i should “get on with the times”, but when you don’t wanna do IPv6 because it’s new and scary (TO YOU) it’s suddenly okay?

come on…

ipv6 isn’t without flaws. but have you SEEN the general software landscape? the things that we put up with on a daily basis?

if we waited with software to be “perfect” as much as we seemingly do with networks, computers would still only be strictly experimental mainframes

(i’m still convinced that most of this is due to insufficient education on the subject, hoping to - within my lifetime - write at least one book about the general subject that would be a little bit more approachable than the current SEO-enshittified status-quo)
@domi I'd agree with you on this being an educational issue. During my study which was only a few short years ago it was basically only about IPv4. We did get a little bit of theory, but all the practical stuff was IPv4 only, and most of the theoretical stuff was also still very much IPv4 focused.

@emilia i’ve heard this exact story echoed from others a bunch of times, but. it’s even worse when you’re self-taught.

i’m being told that my style of technical writing is really easy to understand, so I feel like I may be a good pick to work on something better…

@domi @emilia Well self-taught depends a lot on social circles so that's a lot harder to assess (like I knew IPv6 nerds pretty early for me), while stuff like classes are somewhat standardized and there's a lot of stuff in there that looks terribly bad and not just networking.
@emilia @domi Where I work we still don't teach people much ipv6 beyond "it exists". Probably not helped by there not being any ipv6 on any campus lan. (Both of these annoy me but I can't change them)
@emilia @domi I feel the need to point at Maria’s (https://maria.jmq.cz/#talks) talk on how things are IPv4-first (documentation, manuals, education): https://www.youtube.com/live/Vc9QiE1CgpE?t=3788
Maria | My personal website

@domi
> insufficient education

*looks at purely static ip assignment, overuse of ULA and complete cluelessness on NAT64 at work* yeah…

@domi It's *checks watch* 2026 and my ISP doesn't support IPv6 to residents, like not even a /64 (a reminder that a /48 is appropriate for a residence, I would get a /32 if I had a big network).

They assigned /127s last time I turned off bridge mode.

@makdaam @domi

Are you sure? Is this some locality thing?

Most people (here) get /56 (gives them 256 subnets), companies and stuff may get a /48 (65535), and the ISPs themselves have /32s (4 billion).

Having a /48 and especially a /32 for yourself seems excessively overkill.

@lucasmz @domi https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-690/

/56 is the minimum, but let's be honest I'm a bit of an outlier with 12 "top level" internal subnets at home (not counting VPNs) and then even more networks inside my lab. It would be possible to fit in 256 subnets with everything but I'd prefer to just assign new /64 per test deployment without reusing them.

Best Current Operational Practice for Operators: IPv6 prefix assignment for end-users - persistent vs non-persistent, and what size to choose

ripe-690: Best Current Operational Practice for Operators: IPv6 prefix assignment for end-users - persistent vs non-persistent, and what size to choose

RIPE Network Coordination Center

@domi Big education problem. Especially with infrastructure that isn't the "cool" thing anymore. Everyone wants to do shiny software these days.

Sadly, a lot of teachers didn't touch operational stuff in the last decade and won't in the next and those are the ones that are training the techies that will touch the infrastructure for the next 20 years... Had to go through that

@domi im not connecting to the internet until they make the ip address field a varint
@mothcompute “oh my! it’s another 7f! i guess it’s your lucky day, one byte longer!”
@domi increasing my effective mtu by paying extra for a three byte ip
@mothcompute @domi what if.. phone numbers
@jn @mothcompute @domi Internet Phone version 6
@eloy @jn @domi internet phone version 6 is carried over greatly upgraded 'WiSDN' protocol
@domi
which i would perhaps prefer to *gestures*