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@dcoderlt "i hate being right especially when i don't even get paid for it" ty i'm stealing that
Mx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of the Pnictogen Wing"Watch for the tell-tale signs of corruption! At those times when your children can actually bring themselves to tear themselves away from their InstantGrams and their MineSpaces, do they re-buckle their knickerbockers below the knee?!"
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On the plus side, it's really going to encourage kids to learn how to use non-commercial products.
On the plus side, it's really going to encourage kids to learn how to use non-commercial products.
@dcoderlt The really funny (I'd say "tragic", but fuck the commercial, #enshittification optimized Internet services — Twitter, FaceBook, etc.) is that after the adults have colonized, they don't really even need to kick the kids out. As the adults colonize, the "proprietors" tend to try to make the space more colonizer-friendly. It changes the character of the space more than just the presence of the colonizers, frequently to the point that the original patrons start removing themselves because the colonized space has become "lame" (or whatever the current-to-the-space term du jour is). Many times, the long-term result is the death of "third spaces" — be they physical or virtual (been to a mall or a pool hall lately — the ones that even still exist?).
What's different in the current epoch is the desire to ensure that kids have no place to go. So, while I joked about "encouraging kids how to use non-commercial products", it also contributes to "hooliganism". When you force kids into circumvention and going underground, it also tends to foster other habits that the "won't somebody think of the children" crowd tends to dislike.
What's different in the current epoch is the desire to ensure that kids have no place to go. So, while I joked about "encouraging kids how to use non-commercial products", it also contributes to "hooliganism". When you force kids into circumvention and going underground, it also tends to foster other habits that the "won't somebody think of the children" crowd tends to dislike.
Neil E. Hodges@dcoderlt The mess around TikTok definitely falls under this, too. :/
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AnarchistEngineer@dcoderlt There was a whole Hey Arnold episode about this https://youtu.be/-54JfDxmhio?si=WZ_QR3r9GM1yNT0c&t=708
Hey Arnold! | S01E07 | Operation Ruthless | The Vacant Lot
Irenes (many)@dcoderlt oh SHIT
yepppppppp. shit. that sounds right on. shit shit shit.
@dcoderlt (tumblr doesn't like our privacy tooling, which we refuse to disable, so we can't read the original source. alas. thanks for sharing the long excerpt of it.)
Nazo@ireneista @dcoderlt Sometimes some things will let a Tor browser through when they let nothing else. (I think they just don't know all the servers to block or something. Even if they block some, if I try a few new circuits I often get through.)
Might be worth a try if you really want to look for it anyway.
@nazokiyoubinbou @dcoderlt good to know
@ireneista @dcoderlt The best thing for me is knowing that whatever tracking stuff they use gets royally screwed with by using Tor. (I mean, as long as you don't log in somewhere or put in something identifying like a phone number or something.) Same IP address, same stats, but different people at different times.
It's a small one, but it's always fun to throw a wrench in the gears. 😁
@nazokiyoubinbou @dcoderlt good reason, yeah. we will say, speaking as an ex-Google information privacy person, it's likely that the big companies can still reidentify individuals in that traffic.
@nazokiyoubinbou @dcoderlt but we're big believers in making them work for it
@ireneista @dcoderlt They only can if you do something actually identifying. A lot of people don't realize just how much truly qualifies as that of course though. If you're always visiting the same sites with the same URLs for example, that might qualify. Especially if there is something more unique such as a set of configuration options in there. (Like configuring DuckDuckGo via URL instead of cookie.)
But it does do a lot of things that do help break most trackers. For example, setting fixed window sizes. The less of anything you change, the more you look like everyone else.
Except probably everyone should set their security level to "safer" instead of the default. (In particular WebGL is bad.)
@nazokiyoubinbou @dcoderlt we have non-public information on this topic and are not at liberty to respond
eclexic@dcoderlt legitimate question. How often is that push to evict them led by people who were the kids that flocked to it a few years earlier?
@theeclecticdyslexic @dcoderlt Not often. It really usually is an older generation. Their parents or sometimes even their grandparents. I think more often than not it's the people completely disconnected and out of touch who are the easiest to lead into demanding kids not be allowed to do something. Many don't have kids or they're long since grown up and moved away at least, but when a big stink comes from politicians/etc, they jump on board and agree with whatever they're told that they believe about it.
It's always the people who came into it later, never the ones who grew up with it.
Thanks, I will try to watch for this kind of thing in the future. I think it's an intriguing social problem. Not sure how to improve it, but I can at least try to be cognisant of it in myself. I do feel, if this is accurate, today's kids have it real rough. I wouldn't want to be one.
All of these intergenerational dynamics have sort of had their expected balance of forces slowly change by increased longevity, fewer childhood mortalities, and shrinking birthrates.
As a side note, I think this could be a big part of childhood depression rates rising over the last few generations. (Aside from the obvious feedback loop of the algorithmically tuned and targeted depression rectangles in everyone's pockets).
As more of the world gets locked down and excludes you, there is less ways to imagine making the world your own as a kid.
@theeclecticdyslexic @dcoderlt Each of these things mentioned allows kids ways of communicating with each other, finding commonalities and like-minded people. And, yeah, most generations get to experience watching that get taken away by adults coming in, enshittifying it, and then kicking them out, as the post above describes. Everyone needs that stuff, but people decide they know what's better for them and take it away.
For sure, I follow.
I'm thinking kind of how, especially in car centric parts of the world, kids are not really able to do anything independently. So, online is the obvious choice there, in order to spend time to explore what life is with peers.
Taking that away, in the current circumstances, is tantamount to isolation. I can only hope that the current crises force us to bring in person spaces back more, for everyone's sake.
Fluffy Kitty Cat@nazokiyoubinbou @theeclecticdyslexic @dcoderlt and we know it's on purpose to isolate certain groups, like LGBT kids
zivi@fluffykittycat @nazokiyoubinbou @theeclecticdyslexic @dcoderlt place everyone under 18 in solitary confinement surely thatll uhh protect them
@fluffykittycat @dcoderlt @nazokiyoubinbou @theeclecticdyslexic denying kids community is nothing but evil
@hsza @theeclecticdyslexic @dcoderlt @nazokiyoubinbou we already do it's called a suburban subdivision
@fluffykittycat @theeclecticdyslexic @dcoderlt @nazokiyoubinbou adultists be like how about we do it more and everywhere
@theeclecticdyslexic @nazokiyoubinbou @dcoderlt in my case internet access was all I had and my mental.health would.have been way worse without it
Allegro con Fuoco@dcoderlt Is there a name for this.. intergenerational gentrification phenomenon?
disorderlyf@dcoderlt Desperately wish more people talked about what those kids are seeking freedom from, because for too many of them, it's escapism from abusive parents or their ticket to a community that actually accepts them
Li ~ Crystal System@disorderlyf @dcoderlt and were over here on fedi with people unironically arguing its not abusive or harmful to violate peoples autonomy, but only* if their a child, its a parent doing it, and only if its in a way they approve of* and only if they attach a justification they like to it
.. very strange that all that shit would make would change the impact something has on you, and even more strange that kids still consider these things harmful to them despite you insisting its not, but go off i guess
@disorderlyf @dcoderlt actions done with the express purpose of causing harm and that litterally only 'work' for their intended purpose if they make the person its done too feel hurt -- but that you feel personally justified in doing .. are still harmful??? don't be ridiculous!!
@disorderlyf @dcoderlt the people doing this are abusers trying to cut off the kids they abuse from accepting people
einfachnurRoland@dcoderlt
This raises two intriguing points:
1. Young people are more open to innovation because they have to be in order to move about freely in public spaces.
2. Adults are not capable—and never have been—of moving about freely in public spaces alongside young people.
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This raises two intriguing points:
1. Young people are more open to innovation because they have to be in order to move about freely in public spaces.
2. Adults are not capable—and never have been—of moving about freely in public spaces alongside young people.
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How long will it take before these spaces are closed off to adolescents? With the internet, it takes one generation —meaning it’s the same people who first claimed the space for themselves and then close it off for their own children.
How pathetic can you get?
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Leen Kievit@dcoderlt At some point, everywhere, someone will "think of the children"
christina wizbean@dcoderlt "being outside" and "touching grass" is the new youth space to go hang out and escape the elders "staying online" /j
Tzimisce Flesh@dcoderlt Eh, kinda? Framing it as a generational conflict is kinda reductive. It's not the adult class as a monolith pushing out kids, it's the corporate/monoculture influence trying to make things profitable to shareholders and palatable to the lowest common denominator.
Also, like, in the case of the internet, a lot of the adults around are the same kids that used it in their youth, seeing for themselves the consequences of this gentrification.
Also also, we've been using internet for porn as soon as we figured out how. So, like, there were always adults on the internet.
Also also also, the desire to push children out of internet spaces (among normal people) is largely a result of the monopolies controlling said spaces being unwilling to accommodate spaces for them, making their platforms a half-sanitised mess that can neither be safely enjoyed by children or freely used by adults.
Also also also also, a lot of the actual political pressure to push kids out of the internet spaces is from interest groups trying to strengthen state and corporate power rather than actually helping adults or kids.
Also, like, in the case of the internet, a lot of the adults around are the same kids that used it in their youth, seeing for themselves the consequences of this gentrification.
Also also, we've been using internet for porn as soon as we figured out how. So, like, there were always adults on the internet.
Also also also, the desire to push children out of internet spaces (among normal people) is largely a result of the monopolies controlling said spaces being unwilling to accommodate spaces for them, making their platforms a half-sanitised mess that can neither be safely enjoyed by children or freely used by adults.
Also also also also, a lot of the actual political pressure to push kids out of the internet spaces is from interest groups trying to strengthen state and corporate power rather than actually helping adults or kids.
mdavis@flesh @dcoderlt A lot of adults built the Internet and they weren’t making a space for kids to inhabit exclusively. It also wasn’t overtaken by kids to become “their space”. It was built by a lot of people of all ages for people of all ages, and a lot of people of all ages did populate it (and continue to). And then the corporations came and that’s when it really changed. Their presence continues to cause tidal movements of people within the Internet to relocate into different spaces.