RE: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116394275247729227

All this. And note that Hungarians didn’t •just• vote; they organized the heck of themselves, they built coalition on top of coalition, they fought and finagled their way around state control, and •then• they voted.

The election wasn’t the •cause• of Orbán’s defeat; it was the •tool•.

@inthehands

YES! You cannot minimize the impact of their organization and grit. They had an awfully high hill to climb to get this result.

@inthehands I really appreciate this characterization of voting as the tool, the last step not the first or only. Thank you for the encouragement.

In the US the system is broken, but that doesn’t mean we can’t still use it to defeat our dictators. But we also need to be prepared to fix the system when we succeed.

#DefeatTrump #DumpTrump #OustOrbán #US #UnitedStates #ProportionalRepresentation #ProRep

@inthehands I’d make the case that it wasn’t even the tool. He really lost when the hard work of activism and organizing took root. The election was just making it official.

The same goes for Trump. Our job is to make him (or his would-be successor) a loser well before the 2028 election. If we keep the pressure on and keep convincing more and more people to see clearly how unfit he is in every way, we will get there. But bringing more people along for the ride is crucial.

@inthehands The Hungarians had the advantage that their candidate was perfect and agreed with every voter on every issue and had not a single item of disagreement.
@mikej @inthehands I don't agree with many of his proposed policies, so that is a proof by counterexample. I am under the impression most people who would have normally voted further to the left tactically supported Tisza despite not agreeing with them on many of their policies

@inthehands @drahardja

Surely at some level that concedes the point? The fact that it was a useful •tool• in Hungary doesn't necessarily tell us much of anything about the extent to which it's a useful tool in the U.S.?

@inthehands remember Trump has been in power for nearly as along as ORBAN. Yes since 2015, yes 2015…throughout the Biden administration, in the shadow,, now again in the light and unless he is removed through impeachment or 25th A Trump will end his reign of both domestic and foreign terrorism on January 2029.
@inthehands voting is necessary but not sufficient.
@inthehands treating the fascists like the mongol hordes in the 13th century