CrimethInc. Ex-Workers16h ago

It's nice to see Viktor Orbán lose an election, despite support from Trump and Putin.

But until we address the extreme disparities in wealth and power that enabled nationalists to gain popularity, no mere election will suffice to stop fascism.

https://crimethinc.com/soundandfury

The outcome of the mid-term elections will be determined by what happens in the months ahead—not by how successfully politicians campaign, but rather by the extent to which grassroots resistance makes it impossible for the ruling class to imagine that Trump could continue to advance their interests.

In the long run, only profound social change can put an end to the cycle that has driven the growth of the far right. We must lay bare the connections between fascists, billionaires, militarists, Zionists and Christian nationalists, cryptocurrency hucksters, tech moguls, federal agencies like ICE and the police and sheriffs that abet them, and the centrists and Democrats who paved the way for the tragedies of the second Trump era by suppressing grassroots resistance at the conclusion of the first.

Ultimately, we must show how to defeat their program, not just vote against it.

Show threadundead enby of the apocalypse
@CrimethInc i completely agree, but also… I’m so happy Orban lost, fuck Orban!! I don’t think elections will stop the global rise of fascism, and yet I think it’s really important to take a moment to celebrate this rare good news of a fascist piece of shit’s downfall.
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Show threadlevampyre14h ago

@enby_of_the_apocalypse Let's see how his rival will be doing. I've heard he's not exactly a woke left social justice warrior, either. Celebrate the win. But I agree, we have to change the system that enables fascists in the first place.

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Show threadundead enby of the apocalypse14h ago
@levampyre @CrimethInc i don’t like the other guy either (i don’t like any politicians), i just feel schadenfreude about Orban’s defeat
Show threadlevampyre13h ago

@enby_of_the_apocalypse It is, indeed, very hard to like any politicians really. But sometimes, rarely though, there are some, who behave like actual leaders, who inspire hope. But I'm sure that they exploit themselves and keep burning out within the current system. Change must come from grassroots, communities, from a crowd that carries the weight of change together. We cannot expect it from individuals, as virtuous and motivated as they might be. It is too heavy a burden.

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Show threadundead enby of the apocalypse13h ago
@CrimethInc @levampyre i don’t want “actual leaders”. I want no leaders
Show threadlevampyre13h ago

@enby_of_the_apocalypse I know what you mean. But I've found that within groups there are always people, who take upon themselves the tasks of inspiring, motivating, directing (in the sense of giving direction and helping with orientation) and enabling their peers more naturally than others. Not in an "alpha male, respect my authority" (i.e. fascist) sense of the word, but more in a "help me find my own direction, because I do look up to you for guidance" kind-of way. Elders.

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Show threadundead enby of the apocalypse7h ago
@levampyre @CrimethInc that’s also a kind of hierarchy, and that also gives people power over others, wether intentionally or not, which is why i think we need to be careful to recognize and counteract these hierarchical patterns when they occur
Show threadlevampyre1h ago

@enby_of_the_apocalypse Recognize, yes. Counteract, I'm not sure. I find it hard to decide everything on my own, learn everything on my own. Looking for guidance in certain people is ok (my parents, my teachers). Appointing them, putting them on a pedastal and allowing them to dominate others, that's an issue. But I don't think, having elder figures to look up to for guidance is necessarily or inherently bad or hierarchical. It's just the road to abuse is super short.

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