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AKingsburyWhat a pile of nonsense.
JoeHenzi@AlexanderKingsbury If Jared there says he's a white supremacist, believe him lol
Might not be a bad metric. If someone says "our white supremacist culture", maybe we should take them at their word that they are a white supremacist.
Morgan ⚧️@AlexanderKingsbury @JoeHenzi he's talking about the culture he grew up in, not his beliefs. I don't know where you live or grew up, but I feel safe to say this applies to most of us in the US--we all are raised in a white supremacist culture, then it's up to us if we follow its teachings or do what we can to destroy it. But we can't decide to destroy it without acknowledging that it exists. Do you also assume people are raging misogynists if we mention the patriarchy?
"I feel safe to say this applies to most of us in the US--we all are raised in a white supremacist culture"
Is that why we elected a black president? For consecutive terms?
@AlexanderKingsbury @JoeHenzi yes, that's why out of the 40 something presidents we've had, only one of them was Black--and he was also the only president we've had who was regularly accused of being born somewhere other than the country on his birth certificate.
One successful person doesn't prove oppression doesn't exist. He was an outlier, not the norm. The success stories should be proportionate to the population. So should state sanctioned murders, pre-trial jail time, and false conviction
@raphaelmorgan @AlexanderKingsbury You're right already, guys like Jimmy Carter are white supremacists. Everyone everywhere is a white supremacist, you are a white supremacist.
@JoeHenzi @AlexanderKingsbury do you really not understand the difference between a culture and the people who were raised in it? Like I said, we all have the opportunity to decide not to participate.
I never said anything even remotely approaching that it "proves oppression doesn't exist". I'm saying that if we had a white supremacist culture, it's pretty obvious we would never have had a black president.
@AlexanderKingsbury you don't think it's possible for a white supremacist culture to partially accept a single Black man whom they can then use as a token and bring up every time someone wants to make things better for Black people as a whole? Or every time someone suggests racism is still a thing? Bc to me that seems like it would be really useful to white supremacists who want to prevent any more actual change to their white supremacist systems
I think it's nonsensical to claim that a white supremacist culture would ever put a black man, or woman for that matter, at the head of that culture. If it was just to be a token example, why bother with a second term?
@AlexanderKingsbury again we come back to free will and our ability to decide to act against systems of oppression instead of for them. Obama got a second term because people voted for him. People voted for him because a) they personally are not white supremacists, b) they want to pull the "I can't be racist, I voted for a Black man" card, or c) Obama proved in his first term that he's willing to work to further the goals of white supremacy despite not being white himself
Ah, I see you're applying denigrating, inaccurate labels to other people because they disagree with you. Please feel free to drop me a line if you ever grow up.
@AlexanderKingsbury I'm not trying to insult you. I'm trying to give a fair warning to anyone who follows me and sees these replies in their timeline that they probably don't want to engage because you've shown by now that you're not interested in an actual discussion. I probably should have blocked ages ago, I just have a nasty habit of thinking surely I can get someone to listen if I just say things in a way that makes sense and effectively demonstrates my point
@raphaelmorgan @AlexanderKingsbury You said people voted for Obama *only* to show they aren't racists, and that proves they are racists.
@JoeHenzi @AlexanderKingsbury exactly, they are racist. Because they were raised in a culture of white supremacy and they haven't unlearned it all (or any of it, for some people), even if they've unlearned enough to vote for a Black man--an extremely low bar to meet, in my opinion
@raphaelmorgan @AlexanderKingsbury Yeah, this is literally insane. Enjoy.
@JoeHenzi @AlexanderKingsbury white supremacy denialist is also ableist? Shocker!
@raphaelmorgan @AlexanderKingsbury They called me an ableist - I'm disabled...
No, no, you don't get it. Wanting someone to act like a functional adult is "ableist". Not asking someone to walk on functional legs, or lift a heavy weight, or hear. Just wanting them to communicate in a functional fashion like a mature human.
@AlexanderKingsbury @raphaelmorgan "They voted for Obama BECAUSE they are racists"
And maybe, if you ever grow up and act like an adult capable of productive, mutually respectful conversation, that might happen. Again, if that ever happens, please feel free to let me know. Until then, please feel free to keep spouting your nonsense and lies; I won't waste any more time on it. Have a nice day.
As to "The success stories should be proportionate to the population"? Absolutely wrong, if for no other reason that being president is a statistical outlier in just about every way possible. 45 president out of about 545 MILLION Americans historically is about 0.000008% of the population. No one with even a basic grasp of statistics would claim that that's a representative sample, even putting aside the MANY other factors at play.
@AlexanderKingsbury I'm not saying people need to have a high chance of becoming president. I'm saying if white supremacy weren't a factor in choosing our presidents, they wouldn't be all white except for one. I'm not saying in a fair society everyone could become president--I'm saying in a society that isn't based on white supremacy, those who did become president would be a diverse group representing more than one group of people (a single person is not representation)
@AlexanderKingsbury if you have a room full of 100 white men, a single white woman, and a single Black man, do you really think women and Black people are as well represented in that room as white men are? There's not even a single Black woman, or a single queer person, or a single disabled person. Are disabled queer Black women represented by the single Black man or the single white woman?