jsa@cutesobri @GrapheneOS No the translation is clearly not accurate. What G.D. says in french is the /e/ fundation builds an os you could not trust to hide from heavy investigations. In the mainlines, if you're pedocriminal, spy, executive, whatever, their operating system is not build for, it is (just) built to reduce everyday footprint in daily usage.
Fnordinger@jsa I don’t know. They literally say “We don’t develop a phone for pedophiles to evade justice.” (“[…] on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice.”) Pedocriminals seem to be the main example they chose. They could’ve focused on other groups and instead mention secret services and the like. @cutesobri @GrapheneOS
@Fnordinger @cutesobri @GrapheneOS Is @GrapheneOS developping for pedocriminals ? To my knowledge no, but your assumption presuppose this. Do not forget that these are criminals, hence act like such. If a government approved tool serve their idiotic interests, they'll use it, legally or not, will you tell this tool is for criminals ? I think, the way G.D. speaks between words means : pedocriminals, we do not need and do not want you as users and I do not see any link to grapheneos in this.
GrapheneOS@jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri Your attempt at spinning what was said by Gaël Duval is completely pointless because he has repeatedly made these statements in both French and English across platforms. He has repeatedly smeared GrapheneOS with the ludicrously false claim that it's only useful for pedophiles, criminals and spies. This isn't a one-off statement by him but rather a consistent belief he holds. Duval has consistently claimed serious privacy and security protections are morally wrong.
Ted's Tech Tips@GrapheneOS @jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri The entire point that GOS is only used by criminals is such an exhausted and cliche argument at this point. It's used against almost any privacy/security project. It's the same argument that governments use to justify encryption backdoors, age verification, and many other invasive technologies.
I'm a "law-abiding citizen" by every metric and rulebook, but I use GrapheneOS because I don't want Google and many other companies tracking everything I do.
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Xtreix@GrapheneOS @jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri GOS also gives me way more control over my own phone, and honestly that's something everyone should want.
Secure and private software is for anyone who wants to use it, and for varying amounts of threat level. The amount of privacy, security, and control that GOS provides *should* just be the baseline for every mobile OS, but companies like Murena and /e/OS muddy the waters with misleading marketing.
Security/privacy theatre is dangerous.
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@tedstechtips @GrapheneOS @Fnordinger @cutesobri I know that, and do not take /e/ as it is not, I do not use it as I dislike android/aosp and the likes. I just ask for true/real arguments, which are consistent.
InterestingMoo@tedstechtips @GrapheneOS @jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri
I have found an increase in battery life that is substantial even using the same apps I have on stock android. Some much stuff going on in the background on stock android. Having control over what the apps are doing and limiting permissions is what drove me to try @grapheneOS and even though I am not a criminal, or need to be able to erase my phone in an emergency...the above has intrinsic value. Control.
Damon L. Wakes@tedstechtips @GrapheneOS This is my main reason for using it. I think security and privacy are good things to aim for in general, but the practical benefit of Graphene for me day to day is that I can deny specific permissions to software that would only use them to annoy me. Also I like being able to use my phone as a USB WiFi adaptor in a pinch, and my last stock Android phone couldn't. Basically it just does what I want it to rather than shoehorning 300 "trusted partners" into every process.
The_Universality@tedstechtips @GrapheneOS @jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri
I'd just like to add to your point in support, that government officials use private post-quantum encrypted services as well.
And they are not criminals (mostly).