@Some_Emo_Chick Rofl, I love that meme image.

I do not in any way disagree with it. 😆

@nazokiyoubinbou @Some_Emo_Chick

I'm sorry but i must disagree. I KNOW kubuntu is even better for new users, specially those who come from winslop

@paelnever @Some_Emo_Chick The point of Mint is that A. it's simple, B. it's clean so users who switch to it won't have to switch away in a hurry later.

Everything *buntu fails B horribly. Even putting aside the corporate stuff and that we live in the Age of Enshittification so corporate stuff is an active and present danger, just some of the choices they make like trying to force people to use snap are going to cause problems and confusion for new users.

I'd argue *buntu fails A a little bit, only really succeeding in it just by being so big that so many things support it.

Anyway, it sounds like you just like KDE. There are better options for that. Heck, technically you can install KDE on a Mint system.

@nazokiyoubinbou @Some_Emo_Chick

If by "simple" and "clean" you mean less options and less possibilities of personalization yes, that's true. Certainly cinnamon is way underdeveloped than KDE. The existence of more options doesn't mean an environment feels "dirty" or difficult to learn for new users, specially in an environment as polished for ergonomy and usability as KDE. Options are just simply there and you can explore them or not if you wish. Obviously you can't explore the options you don't have.

I don't know what "corporate stuff" are you talking about in Kubuntu but i must remember you that mint is based on the same packages coming from the same corp than Kubuntu, so any possible "corporate stuff" will be in both distros.

Kubuntu doesn't fail, not even "a little bit", is solid as a rock. If you don't like to use snap packages you are not forced to. The Discover package manager let you handle even flatpak packages and their updates.

It sounds you just like the lack of options of cinnamon. There are better options for that, you can install cinnamon on a Kubuntu system and enjoy the most extensive hardware compatibility (by default) of all distros.

@paelnever

If by "simple" and "clean" you mean less options and less possibilities of personalization yes, that's true.

I'm going to put aside that you're trying to turn this into a personal attack and point out that no, I did not mean anything about KDE vs Cinnamon here. We're talking distros, you're talking desktop environments. You can run a desktop environment of your choice on virtually any distro, but the distro is the underlying thing, so is the important aspect. If it does bad stuff, you're screwed.

Anyway, go look into the details of Canonical. It will get worse. You know it will.

Putting all that aside, right now is a time when people need to be getting away from corporations. I mean, that's literally the key aspect of getting away from Windows.