Phantasus 

https://youtu.be/nwh7BVqdrdw?t=7350

Nonviolent Communication (NVC) is always very hard and it's hard to practice, I have never seen a group doing it like what Marshall B. Rosenberg describing it. It's always so powerful to watch his material.

Like here.

He has this standpoint that other people never can make you doing anything or feeling in a particular way. He has the strong stance, that you are always responsible of how you feel. Other people may be the stimulus of an affect, but it needs your own "help" or self-talk that a certain feeling is made. When applied to other people, then this means that you aren't responsible of how a certain person feels, but you are responsible for your actions, which you control, but not the outcome.

Behind that lies his thinking about punishments, which he rejects. Like also the whole idea of retributive justice as it's so common in western societies or on smaller scales like associations.

#nvc

Making Life Wonderful - Marshall B. Rosenberg

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Apr 11 at 6:40pmWeb
Show threadPhantasus Apr 11

That stance is also very "stoic", that you go into the world and make a cut between what you control and what you can't control.

Still, I always struggled with that myself. Because I'll let myself be controlled what other people think of me. I'm just half-way liberated in some sense if I understood Marshall correctly.

On the other hand "psychopaths" are considered to be those people who are not affected by other peoples feelings and I still need to find my position here, because I want to be respected.

Show threadPhantasus Apr 11

https://youtu.be/nwh7BVqdrdw?t=7514

"You couldn't hurt another persons feelings, even when you tried", I mean that's a strong thing to say these days. Which would easily label you as some cancel-worthy person. Especially putting yourself into the alt-right bubble, because that attitude would mean you don't care for other people, you don't follow basic human rights or any progressive attitudes.

That chain of thought would run the mind of people faster than I could write "uups".

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Show threadPhantasus Apr 11

https://youtu.be/nwh7BVqdrdw?t=8169

A couple of moments before that linked scene, he said "you couldn't make someone angry even when someone kills your family", because he talked about a women whose family was killed and she didn't want to commit herself for revenge. At this position he says, that this women came to his workshops of nonviolent communication, I suppose, because she was confronted with anger of people who hated her guts in her own tribe to *not* commit revenge, but to fight for that such ugly things don't happen to other people.

Reminds me on similar things in other bubbles, that people want to solve issues in a different way receive harsh treatments by their own peer group, because that group disagrees with the position.

Which is then when oppressed people become their own worst enemies.

Making Life Wonderful - Marshall B. Rosenberg

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