If you hate Pope Leo because he is too “liberal”, I have some very bad news for you about Jesus.

@Strandjunker

The New Testament contains many references to Jesus warning of false prophets. The concept of Zionism did not yet exist and was going to take about another 2,000 years to threaten humanity.

@jeremy_pm @Strandjunker LOL way to take a thing about inter-Christian disagreement and turn it into plausibly deniable antisemitism, especially since Zionism has existed in some form for CENTURIES

@MisuseCase

Indeed Zionism originated during the reformation by early Protestant Europeans as an anti Jewish ideology, so in that regard you’re correct about Zionism’s origins being antisemitic.

The political Zionist ideology of today is very different from its origins but I am unsure how a criticism of an ideology that judges people by their political beliefs can be interpreted as being anti Jewish or for that matter anti those who speak semitic languages which includes most indigenous inhabitants of West Asia and North Africa rather than Eastern Europeans.

@Strandjunker

@jeremy_pm @Strandjunker >> Indeed Zionism originated during the reformation by early Protestant Europeans as an anti Jewish ideology, so in that regard you’re correct about Zionism’s origins being antisemitic

No it didn’t. This isn’t even the correct line of bull about Zionism originating with antisemitic Europeans - the line of bull is “it originated in Britain in the 19th century” (this is also wrong).

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@jeremy_pm @Strandjunker The through-line is old antisemitic tropes about Jews not legitimately belonging anywhere, Zionism being a conspiracy, and Jews not having agency.

The actual truth is that 19th-century Jewish Zionists were willing to work with European antisemites to achieve their goals. Even the mainstream Israeli history curriculum is honest about this devil’s bargain! But you have to make shit up for some reason.

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@jeremy_pm @Strandjunker I know you can’t talk seriously about Zionism because if you could you would have mentioned Jewish anti-Zionism right off the bat - it was pretty common in the 18th and 19th centuries!

Or you could at least talk about how the real driver behind Israeli nationalism, apartheid, warmongering, and American support for all those things is…Evangelical Christianity!

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@MisuseCase

Please then explain why if there is 20 so called Christian Zionists to every Jewish Zionist how opposing Zionism is anti Jewish?

The Iranian Jews are particularly anti-Zionist and refused to be forced to leave Iran and move to Israel post its creation in 1948. Does that explain the motive behind Israel bombing a synagogue in Teheran a few days ago.

Regardless of what you believe the reality is Zionism is a very dangerous and violent ideology. You can accuse me of antisemitism as much as you like, it doesn’t change the fact that Eastern European Jews are not genetically or historically connected to West Asia.

@Strandjunker

@jeremy_pm @Strandjunker >> Please then explain why if there is 20 so called Christian Zionists to every Jewish Zionist how opposing Zionism is anti Jewish?

You’re the one who brought it up in response to a post on a completely unrelated topic and use it in a way that’s mostly indistinguishable from a slur for “Jew,” so I don’t think I’m the one who needs to explain myself here.