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Greenpeace InternationalNow more than ever, we urgently need to switch to renewables.
This is about more than saving the planet; it's about peace and stability - renewables are cheaper and provide greater energy security.
Kevin RussellLove all your posts. This is another great one. Please keep.it up, double down, feel encouraged.
Love the Woody Guthrie callback too.
Hurrah.
Broadfork@greenpeace I really wish you would up your alt text game. Repeating the same text as the toot in alt text is not good practice. It’s of no help whatsoever to anyone with visual impairment understanding what the image is about.
#Alt4You A wind turbine standing tall against a clear blue sky. Caption reads this machine stops wars (it’s a big fan of peace).
Nicole ParsonsRenewable energy provides a nation with agency, autonomy, sovereignty, and the ability to say what Spain says to Trump. No.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/04/pedro-sanchez-donald-trump-threat-cut-off-trade-spain
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93wwq1n542o
(Spain is an energy exporter now & can punch above its weight class.)
@iveyline@greenpeace If only our leaders weren't sold out to the fossil fuel sector. While they are "bought" progress will be hindered.
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Mark Wyner Won’t Comply 
AND…all of those stories about how the turbines kill birds is just oil-industry propaganda.
Source:
https://www.statista.com/chart/15195/wind-turbines-are-not-killing-fields-for-birds/
LR@markwyner @greenpeace these numbers all seem implausibly high. all of them.
@markwyner @greenpeace just relating a feeling. maybe it's because i have no true sense of the scale of the us.
@markwyner @greenpeace so, recorded car deaths divided by square kilometers suggests ~6 birds hit by car per km² over a year. alright that seems plausible.
Nice. That’s great math. Also, I want to apologize for my reply to you. It sounded mean, which wasn’t my intention. That’s what I get for responding while gaming. Anyway, I’m sorry for my snarky tone.
@markwyner it's fine, i get it. we're all micro-PTSD'd from the past 10 years of social media experience. i keep forgetting this ;) i should have qualified my statement better.
Pedram@lritter @markwyner loved the interaction there. Thanks for making the world a better place :)
Tor Lillqvist@markwyner @greenpeace The graphic mentions sources, but then the actual article does not have any list of sources. Disappointing. It is not simple to fact-check this. But I was interested in the cat number.
The linked article says "Estimates places the number of U.S. bird deaths at the paws of cats at between 365 millions and 2.4 billion." It doesn't give sources for this. It does contain a link to the page https://www.fws.gov/library/collections/threats-birds that lists various threats to birds. It has a table with various things that kills birds, and for cats it gives much higher numbers than the graphic. It gives the source for that as "Loss et al 2013a", but has again no list of sources.
If I do a bit of web searching I find this, which apparently is the source: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380
And yes, the number is huge. Even larger that in the graphic, even. "We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals annually."
I have no way to know how good and reliable the scientific methods used by Loss et al were. Some people seem to be suggesting they used very unreliable extrapolation from extreme cases. I found this paper, but it is on a cat-lover site, so can hardly be seen as neutral... https://www.alleycat.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/LossEtAl_Report_GregoryJMatthews_6-10.pdf
One obvious thing is that possibly cats to a large extent kill birds that would have died soon anyway.
In general I don't find it unbelievable that domestic and feral cats kill huge numbers of birds. The order of magnitude mentioned in the graphic might be way off from reality, though. (But still, it would be much larger than the number for wind turbines.)
The point here is that the wind turbine death fear is propaganda. There are various sources with a range of data. All of them very high overall. Some cite even higher numbers.
Either way, it’s not renewable energy killing birds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23360987/
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/faq-outdoor-cats-and-their-effects-on-birds/
https://www.audubon.org/news/hundreds-millions-birds-are-killed-annually-building-collisions
gotofritzNone of the people i've heard using the "wind turbines kill the little birdies!!!" argument have ever given a shit about birds or wildlife in general. It's just pure propaganda
Panta Rhei@markwyner @greenpeace no worries, there is much more that needs to be clarified first.
We still have insects smashed at the blades, infrasound (from the WTGs) terrorising the neighbourhood, microplastics abrasion from the blades poisoning the environment (particularly the groundwater), drying out of the surrounding due to the area sealed of by the WTG's foundation, etc. ☝️
/sarc
Torf und Schnee@greenpeace should we read this as a modest proposal to demolish Moscow and fill the freed land with these machines? Hmm, that may actually do the job, I guess.
Ranga Kullenga 
Tom StonehamFixed your #Alt text for you:
A large wind turbine rising above trees in the evening light with a clear blue sky.
Caption reads: This machine stops wars.
In smaller print: (It's a big fan of peace)
Eliza MBI’m sorry, your use of alt text is not helping blind and partially sighted people.
nerdette@greenpeace Don't put them in nature, but on highways, so nobody can complain about the noise.
bewitchedmind@greenpeace What's in the image?