Frédéric Jacobs20h ago

Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

Show threadTomás García Gobet19h ago
@fj why not let people decide if they want such a large vehicle or not?
Show threadtkissing17h ago
@reloadedhead Fuck off. Nobody wants to walk or bike near that shit. Hell, most people don't want to drive a normal car near it either.
You are free to move to the USA if you want to drive one.
Show threadTomás García Gobet
@tkissing chill, I asked respectfully. You should consider answering in a similar manner.
Apr 8 at 12:24pmIceCubesApp
Show threadtkissing16h ago
@reloadedhead I considered that and decided that the likelihood of your question being in good faith is not very high.
Show threadTomás García Gobet16h ago
@tkissing I was genuinely asking. Still not a reason to go full ballistic, but that’s just my point of view.
Show threadtkissing16h ago

@reloadedhead
"Why not let people decide if they want a giant car?"
"Why not let people decide if they want to wear a mask when shopping during a pandemic?"

If you want to ask good faith questions and get polite answers, try sounding different from assholes who very loudly put their personal comfort over the health and life of others for the past ~6 years.

Show threadTomás García Gobet16h ago

@tkissing I expect polite answers because I think respect is something everyone should be granted, regardless if we agree or not. It is very easy to not insult people just because.

I don’t own such a truck and I don’t even want to. I’ve never hurt anyone in any way or form. So I don’t know why you are being this aggressive. But you do you.

Show threadOpen Risk16h ago

@reloadedhead unfortunately the attitude of presuming the worst and attacking people in unacceptable manner on that presumption is common around here.

We need to find collective ways to calm those people down as they poison the Commons with their insensitivity. Moderators are apparently not up to the task.

Show threadTomás García Gobet16h ago
@openrisk internet in general has always been. I do understand the “presuming the worst” attitude. I am very reserved when it comes to trust. But respect on the other hand is very easy to grant!
Show threadOpen Risk15h ago

@reloadedhead yes, its not about trust or any sort of agreement but basic civility (that we normally grant each other in real life). Verbally attacking complete strangers is not something we should normalize.

In adtech media people blame the platforms for profiting from polarization etc. but clearly there is more than that at play. Mastodon is supposed to do better, because open and non-profit etc. but it isn't. Everyday I witness such episodes around here... Does not bode well.

Show threadtkissing16h ago
@reloadedhead Demanding respect is easy. Showing it is not, otherwise you'd have at least phrased your question differently. Or you would have thought about the topic for about half a second and realized that the size and a weight of a car effects other people at least as much as the person driving it.
As for politeness in language, I couldn't care less. US (debate) culture, including in the House and Senate, is all about polite words and a calm voice, but look at what that country is doing.
Show threadFranchesca11h ago
@reloadedhead @tkissing there are limits to the respect owed to a “respectful question”, depending on the topic. If I politely ask the internet “why shouldn’t an individual have the right to own another human being?” I should remember that for other people it’s not just an “interesting philosophical question”, but something that has caused suffering. SUVs disproportionately kill pedestrians and other road users, and terrify the rest of us. If question is not disingenuous it’s lacking empathy.