Francis (is looking for work)That new curfew the DILG is trying to implement... doesn't that smell like Martial Law Lite™?
Why is a national government department taking local matters into its own hands when this should be on a barangay- and city-level? /rhetorical
It reeks of the smell of Tokhang really idk anymore
Shine F.@teacherbuknoy If we had no Martial Law and Tokhang, this would have been a sensible move to instill a bit of discipline (I am all for having no karaoke past 10 p.m.). But considering the government's track record for abuse of power, I totally understand why this is alarming.
Jepoy Bengero@luthien1126 @teacherbuknoy @teacherbuknoy I wouldn't call this Martial Law Lite. Curfew is for minors lang diba? Not sure though. Pero I'm fine with giving minors curfew. Same with inuman and videoke sa kalye. Sobrang walang disiplina na mga tao and siguro naman, it's okay na ipagbawal yang inuman at ingay sa kalye beyond 10pm.
@jepoy @teacherbuknoy True naman. We do need discipline. The problem is with the implementation.
Bawal naman talaga ang drugs, but then tokhang happened. So I can't really blame people for overreacting kasi our govt has a history of abusing power and inefficient/ineffective implementation.
@jepoy @luthien1126 saka maniwala kang about discipline eto. Tingnan natin ang 5,000 kataong nahuli nung Lunes, ilan sa mga iyon ang unhoused vs mga mayayamang on-the-run for Strava stats? Also, do we really think arresting them and slapping a fine would work instead of, idk, running a national housing program?
If disiplina ang concern, ang atake dapat ay cultural at institutional, hindi one-off one-off na pamumulis at panghuhuli.
@teacherbuknoy @luthien1126 gets ko yung concern mo about abuse, lalo na with past experiences. Valid naman talaga maging cautious. Pero I think we also need to separate things—this isn't Tokhang-level policy. Curfew for minors and regulating street drinking/karaoke past 10pm aren't exactly new, and usually implemented at local levels na rin before. (1/n)
@teacherbuknoy @luthien1126 Yung point about discipline vs systemic solutions, tama ka—long-term, kailangan talaga ng housing at better social programs. Pero hindi rin mutually exclusive yun. Basic enforcement of public order (like noise, drinking sa kalye, minors roaming late) is still part of governance. Kahit may housing program ka, kailangan pa rin ng rules in shared spaces. (2/n)
@teacherbuknoy @luthien1126 Siguro ang mas importanteng bantayan is how it's enforced—kung magiging selective or abusive, dun talaga dapat pumalag. (3/n)
@jepoy @teacherbuknoy Yun talaga, yung enforcement. The government should make sure there won't be any abuses. And pag nahuli, ano ang next step? There has to be a fair, just, and sustainable method to implement these rules.
Discipline is really important, and it encompasses all social classes (ang daming naka-kotse na beating the red light). It really boils down to how these rules are enforced. (1/2)
@jepoy @teacherbuknoy But tbh, part of me wonders why we need to be reminded of these rules (as mentioned, existing na ang iba rito) when they're as basic as respecting other people (e.g., videoke late into the night). Some of us kasi, the thinking is pag walang nanghuhuli, go lang, pwede i-break yung rule.
Ultimately, discipline is a two-way street: may proper enforcement (government) and may pagkukusa/pagsunod (citizens). (2/2)