VERY urgent that you guys backup and archive AngelFire sites, we probably have like 2 weeks.
@ocean oh fuck
@ocean thanks for the heads up there's a few sonic sites from way back in the day that I have no idea if the original owners even care about them anymore but I've already lost so many pieces of my childhood...
@patchuun Make sure to ping them on archive dot is or whatever and way back machine
@ocean @[email protected] archive.is deliberately served malware to visitors earlier this year 1 2. it can no longer be trusted.
Wikipedia blacklists Archive.today, starts removing 695,000 archive links

If DDoSing a blog wasn't bad enough, archive site also tampered with web snapshots.

Ars Technica
@sodiboo @ocean @patchuun I don't know if it's still doing malware, but it's currently still using JavaScript on a fake CloudFlare page to DDoS someone. Every time someone tries to visit the website, the JavaScript loads & sends requests to the victim until the fake CAPTCHA is completed.
@jackemled @ocean @[email protected] That's malware as far as I'm concerned. That is what I was referring to. I was not aware that it's still actively doing that.
@sodiboo @ocean @patchuun Oh, is archive.today the same thing as archive.is?
archive.today - Wikipedia

@ocean Why are the closing down?
@ocean I only had one angelfire site in my bookmarks and looks like it's already gone
@ocean i'm gonna be honest i was under the impression angelfire had shut down ages ago.

@ocean Archive Team are on it, it seems: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Angelfire . Probably best to go check on the status over there on their IRC. It's very easy to contribute to Archive Team rescue ops, they have a VM image for volunteers to run that joins their swarm and contributes some bandwidth to the effort.

EDIT: looks like maybe not actively crawling it right now, but if Angelfire's death is making you have activist feelings about preserving the old web, ArchiveTeam is the crew for you! They have a swarm of crawlers that can be retasked to new things, they may just need someone who cares to write the necessary code to spin up the crawl. Not sure if you can go from zero to useful in the timeframe Angelfire needs, but if you want to be a preservation activist in general, you'll probably have more impact with them than alone.

Angelfire - Archiveteam

@danderson @ocean how do i get that vm image? i have a few servers i could throw that on
@Li @danderson @ocean hey, check their docs on how to run the Archive Team Warrior: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior#Basic_usage_(virtual_machine) There's also docker-based deployments as well, but the basic one is the VM indeed.
ArchiveTeam Warrior - Archiveteam

@imrehg @danderson @ocean i installed it but i dont see angelfire in the list :?
Fish in the Percolator (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] I was looking at that project, but it says its status is "On Hiatus", so I don't think it's currently active?

Fosstodon
@danderson @ocean I was looking at that project, but it says its status is "On Hiatus", so I don't think it's currently active?
@imrehg @ocean The wiki sometimes lags ground truth, especially for things that suddenly become endangered. It's possible AT aren't on this, but the IRC channel would be the place to find out for sure.

@danderson @ocean yeah, wikis gonna be lagging, definitely gonna check in there.

In the Warrior interface that Angelfire project is not listed as an option (as flagged by others too), hence it seems indeed effectively not working.

IRC it is, at the next opportunity:)

@imrehg @ocean If you have permanent resources to spare, my suggestion would be to set the warrior project to "ArchiveTeam's choice" (or whatever the exact text is). That lets them decide what project(s) most urgently need archival capacity and readjust on the fly as urgent things happen.

According to the wiki (so no idea if accurate :) ), currently team's choice is a weighted mix of archiving Telegram groups, Roblox Groups (kinda like facebook walls I think?) and a general ongoing crawl of large sites that are semi-endangered or would be hard to archive in a hurry (e.g. due to aggressive rate limits).

Obviously requires some trust in archiveteam to not screw around, and I can't do that evaluation for you. But I decided that, with a VM boundary, I trusted their intentions enough to let them pick the priorities.

@danderson @ocean yeah, I usually do that Team Choice, it's very heavy telegram at the moment, as you said :)
@imrehg @ocean But yeah if Angelfire doesn't currently show up in the project list, that's a good indicator that there isn't an active crawl, either because it's not online yet or maybe it's done? idk if angelfire sites can still change or if it's effectively static at this point
@danderson @ocean I've looked through the scraper (last change 7 years ago), and fixed things up rough-and-dirty (will clean up and push it to GitHub there too, shortly). The scraper runs, but since ArchiveTeam has no jobs out, it just idles. I guess it will need central coordination, or maybe I've missed something? 🤔
@imrehg @ocean yeah I think once a working scraper build is up, there also needs to be something generating seed URLs to start from (iirc the wiki suggested starting with the sitemap?), and then archiveteam people need to push some buttons to open up the new job and maybe move some of the swarm over to it? Not sure, I've never MC'd a crawl just observed other AT crawls happen
@ocean TIL Angelfire and Tripod are still active
@fullfathomfive @ocean I've checked my tripod site like every year since 2004.. yeah, amazed it's been up this whole time.

@ocean @gothpanda the days of my first ever website https://zim.tripod.com/index.htm are numbered.

And wow it's way more broken than it was just a few months ago.

Good thing I ripped it years ago. (I guess)

@colinstu @ocean it's not loading for me. Keep getting a 502

@gothpanda @ocean I could get bits of it going w/ refreshes but yeah it’s dying.

Archive.org has some/all of it too.

I guess I’ll need to host my copy now.

@ocean oof, the last relic of the 90s internet is going away
@ocean

Current lycos site (https://www.lycos.com/) has a red are banner.
@ocean ah... my sister's Anthony Kiedis fan site that she hasn't been able to log in to for over 20 years... A treasure trove of broken image links that will be lost to the world...

@ocean

Seems you can still register to set up free accounts..

@ocean

30 years is a pretty good run in internet yearz. Actually I would call that "web ancient." I thought Angelfire closed 15 years ago in fact. Frankly I am surprised that even Lycos is still going. Seems like the site is still up though.

@ocean
archiveteam has some more useful details (especially for bulk archival), https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Angelfire

I will very likely get one of my servers on the task later
Angelfire - Archiveteam

@ocean
@wordshaper

Thank you.
Investigating a scammer last year led to many lycos emails and a bunch of these sites. I need to archive everything, praying I can find those again.

Oh shit.

Aaaaaaand their tripod sites are gone:

Link to one of their frozen steaks scam site from 1998 that was still online a few months back.

https://alfordman.tripod.com/

This is unfortunate, these scam artists still operate today... Similar, but different schemes of course.

@ocean the message is back too btw
@ocean Looks like all the todo items are spoken for! But I've spun up some workers just in case :3 https://tracker.archiveteam.org/angelfire/
Angelfire tracker Dashboard

@ocean @astraluma I didn't know Lycos even still existed