I don't own a car. I take public transit everywhere, and I do think personal vehicle use has real environmental costs. But I don't think driving is inherently unethical.

I live in Seoul, and the city makes transit easy for me. That's not a virtue. It's a condition I happen to benefit from. Some people live where transit barely exists, or where it doesn't get them to work, school, or care. In those places, driving is not optional.

The same is true of flying. In parts of Europe you can cross borders by train. In island nations, or in places with weak land connections, flying may be the only realistic option. “Just fly less” means very different things in those places.

A lot of what gets called my ethical choices comes from the conditions I live in. That makes me wary of turning structural failures into personal morality. If the alternative is missing or unusable, shaming people for not choosing it solves nothing.

When environmental harm gets framed as individual moral failure, attention shifts away from the structural changes that would actually matter. It's not an accident that oil companies spent decades popularizing the idea of the personal carbon footprint.

@hongminhee yep.

Here, in Atlanta, public transit is so limited that you have to drive most of the distance you want to travel, just to get to the train system.

@kimlockhartga

True, but with a difference:

It would be entirely possible to establish a usable public transport system in Atlanta (MARTA *is* pathetic).

It’s totally uneconomical in rural areas, and like @hongminhee mentioner, Geographic challenges make that impossible elsewhere.

(I‘ve also used Ferries as local public transport. They will NOT work where I live. 😝).

@Saupreiss @hongminhee That's a really good point. I'm 40 minutes outside the city.

@kimlockhartga

I‘ve heard from a similar location probably very close to you that extending public transport would lower house values because public transport attracts folks who can‘t afford cars…

@hongminhee

@Saupreiss @hongminhee oh, that old argument. Yeah. I've heard that a lot. There is a lot of hostility towards pedestrians, cyclists, anyone not driving a car.