I agree with @scottjenson that AI slop lovers should be allowed to find their place here.

And here's the fun fact: nobody prevents them from joining en masse and voice their opinions. Of course they're going to get mass blocked too by any sensible person, but that's completely irrelevant. Yes, its' exactly what happened with Gab, and rightly so.

Flash news, nobody here is owed an audience. No, you do not have a right to anybody's ears and eyes.

@oblomov That's NOT what I said. My point was mostly about journalists. I very foolishly picked an AI one (my bad) but I never EVER meant for my argument to be "LET THE SLOP ROLL!"

I was trying to make a more general point (clearly poorly) that instead of using federation to, you know, block and deferate, which is really the true spirit of federation, some people feel like using pitchforks and bonfires.

@scottjenson and yet again, literally nothing prevents journalists from joining. They have a whole instance over at newsie.social. And still nobody owes them anything. The reason they don't stick around is because nobody here gives a shit about anyone who only sees social media as a write-only medium, not because it's an echo chamber.

@oblomov @scottjenson
I think this is the main misunderstanding I see with journalists and similar on Mastodon.

This really is not a write-only space. Your posts only spread if people see them and choose to share them. And that will mostly happen if you actually interact with people - not just in replies to your posts, but by following, reading and sharing other people. By being an actual user.

A multi-social media post dump will not be visible enough to create traction here, by design.

@oblomov @scottjenson
The mistake probably stems from the belief that anything vaguely shaped like Twitter must also work vaguely like Twitter.

You wouldn't make the same mistake with, say, reddit, and try to dump link posts to your latest piece into subreddits. Reddit has a different shape; it's obvious it doesn't work.

Mastodon was never designed as a Twitter replacement. It was designed for people who *dislike* Twitter and wanted something else. Treating it like Twitter will not work.

@jannem @oblomov @scottjenson As a normie ignoramus who was utterly lost during my first couple of weeks here the fact that it was obviously Not Twitter was why I stuck it out and tried to learn more, that was its whole appeal.
I have no regrets about the years I spent on twitter, I learnt an enormous amount and felt like I had front row seats to the sad spectacle of most journalists brains getting shredded by the algorithm. Their not getting their fix here is the opposite of a problem, IMO.

@Veza85UE @oblomov @scottjenson

Don't be too hard on journalists. They're in the same boat as artists, musicians and so on - much as they do enjoy connecting with people, they also need to get paid. And self-promotion is a necessary, important part of that.

The question is - and you can make it about indie artists if you prefer - how they can do that here with the dynamics of Mastodon, without breaking social expectations.

@jannem @oblomov @scottjenson 1/2 I am an enthusiastic booster of any EUropean journalism that has something worth self-promoting on here. I love that @valigiablu (highly recommended even if you have to use a translator) adds a reminder that it left not only twitter but all US broligarch platforms at the end of every thread. Self-promotion is the least of the profession's problems in the nazi bar, I've seen some shit... But I can also not think of indie artists instead because no jewelry maker
@valigiablu ❤️
C'è hashtag Discourse di un esperto di pubbliche relazioni che spiega a Mastodon come i giornalisti qui si sentano intimiditi e non sono benvenuti... È improbabile che sappia dell'esistenza di giornalisti che non parlano inglese, ma questo non mi impedirà di promuoverli.