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Ian Betteridgehis isnt' a "masculinity crisis". Let's call it what it is: a deliberate campaign by the right to brainwash boys with misogynistic propaganda. Calling a woman teacher "a fucking slag" isn't masculine behaviour.
Neil Brown@ianbetteridge Well said! There is nothing masculine about misogyny.
Nini@ianbetteridge There's a masculinity crisis alright, it's being co-opted by this hateful misogynist version that purports itself as being for "true men" when it's run by emotionally stunted entitled little manchildren angry at the world for not letting them do what they want.
Rikke Andersen@ianbetteridge small dick syndrome is what it is
Sune AukenTrue. It really isn't.
Ben HammondYoung boys not being taught how to behave is more of a parenting crisis isn't it
AndroidDreamer@benh @ianbetteridge One would argue so ; I see your point. At the same time, it does not prevent from accounting for and denouncing the batshit crazy TikTok and podcasts touting these very toxic behaviors.
Twenty years ago, I remember finding in a data dump an electronic book that can only be described as the most disgusting misogynistic trash. Now, such content is broadcasted to the widest audience and promoted by various people of dubious intentions.
So yes, education by the parents and beyond, through examples in people's lives is really what can counter these things. But we should not forget how and who are spreading the fire that harms our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our friends and beyond.
Twenty years ago, I remember finding in a data dump an electronic book that can only be described as the most disgusting misogynistic trash. Now, such content is broadcasted to the widest audience and promoted by various people of dubious intentions.
So yes, education by the parents and beyond, through examples in people's lives is really what can counter these things. But we should not forget how and who are spreading the fire that harms our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our friends and beyond.
Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKits a mix of both,. The misogyny was already slowly developing 20-30 years ago as pard of "lad culture" *before* social media became that popular, nothing was done about it as it was considered "free speech/expression". Those lads are now the fathers of todays schoolboys.
@vfrmedia @vstab @benh Largely agree. Lad culture was already doing real damage before anyone had a smartphone. Loaded, Zoo, FHM normalised a particular kind of contempt for women throughout the 90s and 2000s, and it wasn't treated seriously because it came wrapped in irony. "Just banter" is a very old defence.
What social media did was remove the friction. That existing culture got a distribution network, algorithmic amplification, and a generation of influencers who monetised it. The fathers you're describing didn't create Andrew Tate, but they did create an audience that was already primed for him.
Andrew Tate isn't that old, he was still in high school and 6th form in the 2000s and would be the same age as of todays dads (men often start families later in life than they used to) - so he would have been created and enabled by the same men who popularised lad culture back in the day (which was a mix of older middle aged men and also young "gonzo" journalists)
canleaf08✅ 加拿大葉子 🏳️🌈⚧️🇪🇺🍁@benh @ianbetteridge no. it is a culture crisis
Stage name Jay Peach@[email protected] they ought to bring back corporal punishment. Beat the crap out of those manosphere bullies.
@jaypeach53 Personal I would pay to see Andrew Tate in the stocks. Heck, I would be throwing rotten cabbages.
craignicol@ianbetteridge at least when we called it "rape culture" it was clear that it was unacceptable and there was a clear alternative - don't be a rapist, and don't accept behaviour that absolves or encourages assault.
Truth Or Consequences ✅ 🇺🇦It is just a easy, short, lazy way for boys to try to become a man. All the talk and BS won't make them a man.
derptron@ianbetteridge It's Russian propaganda meant to destroy us. Literally fed into our culture by the KGB and then later the same people under different acronyms, like GOP.
It's literally our enemies destroying us by twisting our children into despicable creatures who can't unite or do anything because they're too busy being shitheads and hurting people.
Idren Anarchoqueer@ianbetteridge the fact that UK women did not support 2SLGBTQQIA+ folks is coming back to bite them because now that the hierarchy is cutting them out, there’s no one to save them because they decided to punch down as part of the kyriarchy.
Robert Galbraith helped plant these seeds. Thank you for weeding the garden.
@idren I take the point about solidarity, but I think it misreads where British women actually are. Polling consistently shows women are *more* supportive of trans rights than men, not less. That's been true across YouGov, Ipsos and More in Common research. The loudest gender-critical voices get a lot of airtime (because right wing media), but they don't represent British women as a whole.
The Rowling-as-representative-of-British-womanhood framing is itself something the right has actively promoted — and I don't think that amplifying it is positive.
I also think the "they didn't protect you so no one will protect them" logic is one we should be careful with. It punishes a group based on a mischaracterisation of their views, and that's exactly the kind of fracture that benefits people who want coalitions broken. The more useful question is how we build the solidarity that does exist into something durable.
@ianbetteridge eliminate sexual differentiation of the third space so that men don’t have a platform for down pressure
@ianbetteridge i’m not sure why you would bring up J. K. Rowling. I didn’t mention her whatsoever.
@idren "Robert Galbraith"?
@ianbetteridge I was referring to how RG teaches men how to marginalize women and treats them like sexual doormats in his books.
JK treatment of trans Women doesn’t need to be included in the narrative for my point to have validity.
RG planted the seeds of the bromance
@ianbetteridge not every discussion about how men are fucking women over needs to include J. K. Rowling.
Scale TheoryAnd Universities are brainwashing students to be liberal good people.
"Unpacking claims that higher education leads to more liberal political viewpoints"
Guardian:
"The universities are the enemy’: why the right detests the American campus"
What is it that the complicit Guardian are forcing down your throat?
Aren't detesting a "masculinity crisis" that's for sure. It's coming as was project 2025, you have no choice, FREEDOM!
Mason Loring Bliss@ianbetteridge This kind of toxic crap makes me fear for the world. This is a central component of right-wing ideology.
The SAVE Act in the US is another example of demeaning, devaluing, and attacking the rights of women.
Jody Lemoine CD 🇨🇦@ianbetteridge Whenever this sort of thing comes up, I refer to Beau of The Fifth Column’s video from a few years ago. He said it well. https://youtu.be/0fK_KdcaCN8 #Masculinity
Let's talk about what men can learn about masculinity from women....
WhichOne'sPink 🇫🇮@ianbetteridge I fully agree.