Ian Betteridgehis isnt' a "masculinity crisis". Let's call it what it is: a deliberate campaign by the right to brainwash boys with misogynistic propaganda. Calling a woman teacher "a fucking slag" isn't masculine behaviour.
Ben HammondYoung boys not being taught how to behave is more of a parenting crisis isn't it
AndroidDreamer@benh @ianbetteridge One would argue so ; I see your point. At the same time, it does not prevent from accounting for and denouncing the batshit crazy TikTok and podcasts touting these very toxic behaviors.
Twenty years ago, I remember finding in a data dump an electronic book that can only be described as the most disgusting misogynistic trash. Now, such content is broadcasted to the widest audience and promoted by various people of dubious intentions.
So yes, education by the parents and beyond, through examples in people's lives is really what can counter these things. But we should not forget how and who are spreading the fire that harms our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our friends and beyond.
Twenty years ago, I remember finding in a data dump an electronic book that can only be described as the most disgusting misogynistic trash. Now, such content is broadcasted to the widest audience and promoted by various people of dubious intentions.
So yes, education by the parents and beyond, through examples in people's lives is really what can counter these things. But we should not forget how and who are spreading the fire that harms our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our friends and beyond.
Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKits a mix of both,. The misogyny was already slowly developing 20-30 years ago as pard of "lad culture" *before* social media became that popular, nothing was done about it as it was considered "free speech/expression". Those lads are now the fathers of todays schoolboys.
@vfrmedia @vstab @benh Largely agree. Lad culture was already doing real damage before anyone had a smartphone. Loaded, Zoo, FHM normalised a particular kind of contempt for women throughout the 90s and 2000s, and it wasn't treated seriously because it came wrapped in irony. "Just banter" is a very old defence.
What social media did was remove the friction. That existing culture got a distribution network, algorithmic amplification, and a generation of influencers who monetised it. The fathers you're describing didn't create Andrew Tate, but they did create an audience that was already primed for him.
Andrew Tate isn't that old, he was still in high school and 6th form in the 2000s and would be the same age as of todays dads (men often start families later in life than they used to) - so he would have been created and enabled by the same men who popularised lad culture back in the day (which was a mix of older middle aged men and also young "gonzo" journalists)