TIL (Today I learned) that writing websites with simple HTML and CSS is now called "post-framework". Well. I did "post-framework" even before frameworks existed and I never stopped writing that little bit of HTML and CSS needed for static pages myself. I guess I'm so old that it is considered being young again :) (frantically adding "20+ years of experience and practice with post-framework web design" to my CV ;)

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@jwildeboer I recently built a web gallery that should not use external libraries or require a specific build system, but support modern features like touch gestures. It was fun to see what is possible these days. Not just HTML/CSS as it contains a JS part, but still...
@neuimneuland This. It is kinda bonkers how frameworks, once meant to hide complexity, now serve to *hide the simplicity* of modern HTML and CSS :)

@jwildeboer @neuimneuland at one point in my JavaScript journey frameworks (they weren't called that yet) were getting popular, particularly jQuery. I shied away from them because it seemed like a huge amount of library to load just for relatively simple stuff, and the extra dependency didn't seem worth it. Plus, the idea that I'd sink time into learning something that would perhaps quickly become obsolete wasn't appealing, when using the standardized APIs was not much harder and helped keep me honest about HTML element complexity and design.

document.querySelectorAll is pretty great actually!

So now I guess I'm also a post-framework veteran? Ha.

@tiotasram @jwildeboer @neuimneuland someone I worked with once called me a vanillaJS fangirl 😂 made my day

I feel like "kids these days" dont know just how far vanilla HTML, CSS, and a lil js script can take you.

@being As someone else said in my timeline today: It is weird to think of vanilla as plain, simple, boring when it is one of the most complex and satisfying taste experiences to have ever existed :) @tiotasram @neuimneuland

And that’s true when there’s so little vanilla you can barely see it!

@jwildeboer @being @tiotasram @neuimneuland