Jan Wildeboer 😷1d ago

TIL (Today I learned) that writing websites with simple HTML and CSS is now called "post-framework". Well. I did "post-framework" even before frameworks existed and I never stopped writing that little bit of HTML and CSS needed for static pages myself. I guess I'm so old that it is considered being young again :) (frantically adding "20+ years of experience and practice with post-framework web design" to my CV ;)

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Show threadKarma Sahne - R.I.P @natenom1d ago
@jwildeboer I recently built a web gallery that should not use external libraries or require a specific build system, but support modern features like touch gestures. It was fun to see what is possible these days. Not just HTML/CSS as it contains a JS part, but still...
Show threadJan Wildeboer 😷1d ago
@neuimneuland This. It is kinda bonkers how frameworks, once meant to hide complexity, now serve to *hide the simplicity* of modern HTML and CSS :)
Show threadRaffzahn

@jwildeboer @neuimneuland

Yeah. I guess that's the main point here. HTML (+CSS+JS) was designed as primary user written language. To be extended whenever new features are needed (like it right at the start by addition of htbin, later CGI).

What developers did was treating it rather like some immutable low level ISA one needs to build on - with explicite forcing of features, not trusting standard implementation or user intend.

A long sad story.

Apr 6 at 1:36pmWeb
Show threadmorgan1d ago
@Raffzahn @jwildeboer @neuimneuland we're still living in the aftermath of the Browser Wars
Show threadRaffzahn1d ago

@fay @jwildeboer @neuimneuland

Which makes Frameworks like passports and border controll? Invented during war, never went away afterwards?