Chippys_mittensYour opinion is important
Racist
ZagorathI worry about this sometimes. I don’t ever want to be seen as speaking “for” minorities I’m not a member of, but I do want to be seen speaking “up for” them. And I worry about finding the right balance. I don’t want to speak over them, but do want to help make it clear that I support them and I am opposed to those who are opposed to them. I don’t want to be MLK’s “white moderate”.
KoboldCoterieI feel that the most important thing is to speak out against the people who oppose minorities’ rights. You don’t need to speak for minorities to oppose those who oppress them.
I struggle with this too. I’m reading White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo right now though and it’s main suggestion is to just oppose racism when you see it. Call white people out on their behavior even if it makes everyone uncomfortable and makes you unpopular.
Also, to listen to feedback from people of color without getting defensive. No one is going to be perfect and we live in a system which is constantly socializing us, it’s ok if we fuck up but just try and fix it when you learn better.
MrSelfDestruct25Stand beside, not in front.
You can stand in front as a shield, but only then.
Careful thinking justice is a universe or objective concept.
CubitOomI heard this once, and it’s stuck with me since: don’t speak for people that you don’t speak to. It helps me remember that I don’t understand the conditions a marginalized community faces if I’m not a part of it, and I should do the work of listening and understanding before inserting myself into a situation with perhaps well-intentioned, but misguided, attempts at helping.
MurseYou don’t need to worry about shit. Propaganda like the OP’s serves only to make you feel guilty about speaking up, pushing you to become one of MLK’s white moderates.
If you’re in a position to advocate for a group who’s voice is being muffled, do it.
You already know the distinction between that and talking over them - don’t let internet bullshit blur the line.
Miles O'BrienNobody needs/wants the white liberal to speak for them, but another voice in the crowd demanding something surely can’t be a bad thing?
Depends
You’re being downvoted but the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen is white people deciding Latinx structure was the proper way of making something gender neutral in Spanish.
We can’t even fucking pronounce that in SPANISH!
But more annoyingly was that it ignored that there was already a gender neutral movement anyway that had started in Mexico that DID use something that could be pronounced: Latine structure.
Im just having fun
It’s honestly insane that (even as rarely as it’s relevant for a european) this thread is the first I heard of “latine”. All that discourse about latinx and NOW finally I’m being told that there’s been a less stupid attempt at a solution before that. Finally I can stop feeling weird as I’m trying to decide whether to just say latinos as I have no idea what the socially accepted word is in the context I’m in. I can just say latine.
Honestly Latinos (plural) doesn’t really bother most of us either because the language is just gendered, but doesn’t mean we’re literally thinking a chair is a woman or a tv is a man.
But, in the rare case where a gender neutral word would be better, such as referring to a person’s gender (singular), then Latine and such is useful. So El, Ella, É etc
zeppoApparently OP is “all white people are bad! the people who are on our side and those who are not! silence!!”
You sound racist af saying shit like that.
Take shitposts seriously and get into fights with strangers on the internet.
Gang shit
My bait is too tasty for some fish. Hooked em.
Are you trying to make me cry?I’ll have you know some people like me. 😉 do you understand the context of a baiting shitpost vs a authentic opinion? It is a shitpost community after all.
Shut the fuck up saying racist shit is just a shitpost/joke.
Go post some white power bullshit then if that’s your goal.
If you want to be racist, then just fucking do it.
Hee hee ho ho ha ha. Looks like you’re the one that’s gonna cry. I haven’t said or done anything racist. You fucking WISH I did.
You are hiding behind a joke. Which is classic racist chud behavior.
Either you need to think before you act or you are trying to be racist.
Own up to criticism or fuck off.
Hee hee hoo hoo ha ha. You need to think before you engage with a shitpost. You’re feeding me the exact meal I want. Chomp chomp chomp
Oh god oh fuck oh shit. What am I going to do? Is your blood boiling yet?
Tonava One of the few people ive tagged for this. Not yet worth blocking, sojust whenever I see him post I dont interact with them
I’ll wear it like a badge of honor captain.
Blood over Bright Haven. A book that, among other things, is about discovering how to be a good ally.
Isn’t that what racists say?
Idk about all that
I am what I eat
NONEAs long as you don’t “correct” or act like you know better that minorities, you will be a good Ally.
Don’t say “I will help you!”, instead ask “how can i help you?”
That’s the question from which fucked up shit start to happen, but let’s take it at face value.
In that case, you can look for a segment of the minority group that aligns with your ideals (because not all of us think the same way, we’re not a collective mind) and offer them your support.
Do you encounter, say, Latinos who support Trump? Leave them alone and offer support to Latinos who are critical of Trump; We’ll know how to use your help to take actions that benefit all of us, including those who are “wrong.”
do you approve of the term “LatinX”?
Nop! Not a single bit!
I doesn’t fit the pronunciation rules of most latinamerican countries, not even Brazil. I mean, How do you “say” that? what sound does the X represents? It’s like “LatinEx”? That sounds so silly! Like a Kingdom Hearts Villain or something.
If you want to be inclusive / non-binary, you better use “Latine” (La-ti-ne). That’s how the “inclusive language” works here.
Although, I argue that “Latino” is OK either way, since you’re talking about the collective from “LATINO-America”.
thank you. i’m not latino, but it always struck me as WTF when all of a sudden “let me be offended for you” people decided they needed to “fix” an entire language’s “sexist” word that none of its speakers were ever offended by
orlyowlIt is important to understand the context of who defined it.
It was mainly defined by queer people in various Latin communities as a self descriptor. LGBT acceptance within the various Spanish speaking communities in general is nowhere near universal, which explains why adoption of Latinx isn’t a thing.
I’d only use the descriptor if I knew that a lot of people there within earshot wanted to use that description.