TIL (Today I learned) that writing websites with simple HTML and CSS is now called "post-framework". Well. I did "post-framework" even before frameworks existed and I never stopped writing that little bit of HTML and CSS needed for static pages myself. I guess I'm so old that it is considered being young again :) (frantically adding "20+ years of experience and practice with post-framework web design" to my CV ;)
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@jwildeboer This is the way to go.. again!
We have made development so complicated with all kinds of frameworks, libraries, managing tools and other cruft, it's ridiculous. Tools don't guarantee the outcome.
I have been doing webdev for 15+ years now. Simple(r) always wins. I am back to CSS only. Being able to move things between pc's and continue coding. No extra tools, processors etc. It's a great workflow.. 'post-framework'? Sure, name it that.
@jwildeboer I guess at some point we need to teach and unlearn them.
Crap, I just came here to build things for me :D
For me that's more of 30+ , I wrote my first home page in 1995.
(If I ever need a CV again, I presume 15+ sounds better because not THAT old)
@unixwitch @jwildeboer I am going to add @jaredwhite Sorry Jared.
I am listening to your podcast (https://jaredwhite.com/podcast/129/) and while.. also browsing your website a bit. Lots of things going on, and.. another OG developer.
Had to point you here, grouping some OG-dev's :D
I’m often asked how I get so much done, and it always surprises me because I usually feel like I’m chronically behind in everything. But after a month of significant progress on a bunch of projects and getting a whole lot accomplished, I’m in the mood to discuss productivity. 😎 Oh yeah, let’s get into the weeds with…timeboxing, and work logging, and outlining! It’s gonna be totally great.
@hbons @jwildeboer Sure, that's a step higher, going to make parts dynamic, singular. You should!
Point is, getting to build a webpage needs very little tools. (Editor and a browser). I guess the art is coming back! :)
ps: Regarding the 15+ thing, I wrote my first HTML in the Netscape Editor. Netscape.. so good!
@hbons I've had sites there. Good times! I get what you are saying, it was so magical.
Then came Flash!
Is this little thing I made a post-framework too?
I don't know, but it tries to be post-React at least.
@haitchfive @jwildeboer I'm not familiar with Go.
This 'post-framework' (which eq 'pre-framework') idea:
- Write HTML by hand
Done!
Additionally:
- Template parts, sections for ease and maintainability (might need a server something)
So, HTML, a (template) parser. How we use to do it, how we build thing internet-thing, how we will be doing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUiEoFRLlno&pp=ygUTZGhoIGxlc3MgZnJhbWV3b3Jrcw%3D%3D
Sure, some cases excempt.. Point is, we need very little to build the web. Less == better.
Uhhhg...DHH, no thank you...
See, this is how division plays out. Even though I get it, I was point you to the signal, not the container. Life gets easier, and your improvements faster if you mold life your way.
Listening to someone who doesn't hold your views, isn't letting yours go. Again, I am point to signal, not politics. What weighs heavier for you is your decission.
Actually, excess tooling guarantees a shit outcome - fragile, hard to maintain, and uses more energy.
Funny how many people can't do even a simple site without WorstPress.
@barbra @jwildeboer And if WordPress, can't build without Plugins.
I guess people have learned to ride the bike, fallen off, and are re-evaluating how much is too much :)
There can be sense in that. If anyone at some point decides to add a cache-layer for performance... this would count as the same, just from the start.
I think the global point is understanding HTML, being able to code stuff yourself and don't use more then you need.
Don't choose the ferrari to do some small groceries.
Although.. V8? I might do the above. Maybe not the best example :D
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