M. Grégoire2d ago

Trump's respect for King Charles possibly quashed desire to annex Canada, says royal commentator

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-king-charles-annex-canada-new-book-9.7153681

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Trump's respect for King Charles possibly quashed desire to annex Canada, says royal commentator | CBC News

An upcoming book authored by a prominent royal commentator says U.S. President Donald Trump was primarily interested in annexing Canadian territory just above the U.S. border — and his respect for King Charles may have quashed his interest.

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Show threadM. Grégoire2d ago

'"[Canada has] been a staunch ally through history, a gallant D-Day partner and attempting to acquire it would undoubtedly make the King of Canada unhappy," Hardman added. According to Hardman's recounting of the conversation, Trump paused at that note and asked the British journalist whether Canada still recognized King Charles as its head of state. "Do they still recognize the King? Or have they stopped that?" Trump said, according to Hardman.'

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Show threadM. Grégoire

Loyalty to the Canadian crown has always been a core value of English Canadian identity. The easiest way for an anglo to show the difference between being a Canadian and an American is for her to take a coin out of her pocket and to display the obverse.

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Show threadRuth O'Day2d ago

@mpjgregoire

I wouldn't call it "loyalty to the crown" so much as "thanks for saving us the trouble of which image of a dead white guy to put on the coins".

In a previous life I had a conversation with a guy with a francophone African guy whose country's currency was (still is?) a France-issued franc. He was talking about the frustration of not having his own county issue their own currency.

I was kind of curious as to what his reaction would be, I showed him either a $20 or a coin, I forget, with The Queen on it.

He was shocked, like, "I thought that you were your own country!"

I used to be a monarchist, but as news of the horrors of residential schools (run in the name of The Crown and not something taught in school) became more known, I have reversed that stance and favour a German-style system for choosing a head of state. They seem to do okay with it.

Show threadM. Grégoire2d ago

@RuthODay2 In *The Gathering Storm*, Churchill lamented that the victors of WWI hadn't installed a cadet branch of the Hohenzollerns on the Germany throne... But sure, the current German system has worked well enough over the last seventy years.

That said, I don't think we can blame the Residential Schools on our system of government; we would have set them up even if Canada had been a republic. First Nations themselves are generally more attached to the Crown than your median Canadian.

Show threadRuth O'Day1d ago

@mpjgregoire

Agreed that bad things can happen in any type of government.

But any indigenous affinity for the Crown over the median Canadian, if true, is a statement about the median Canadian, not the Crown.

Show threadM. Grégoire1d ago
@RuthODay2
If you're curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada_and_the_Indigenous_peoples_of_Canada
Monarchy of Canada and the Indigenous peoples of Canada - Wikipedia

Show threadRuth O'Day1d ago

@mpjgregoire

Again, preference for dealing with the Crown over the average politician. That is strategic, too, I wouldn't put any sense of amity on it.

Show threadDeborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦2d ago
@mpjgregoire anglo here: never been a monarchist. Totally indifferent.
Show threadM. Grégoire2d ago
@deborahh But you wouldn't deny, would you, that the main reason English Canada exists is because of loyalty to the Crown?
Show threadDeborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦2d ago

@mpjgregoire i'd call it "dependence on the crown", perhaps, in our early history. Dependent for governance and safety.

The people who came here left Europe for a reason ... and they were certainly not all English citizens! Some came for profit, or pkwer, but many came for safety, or in protest - because they were philosophically opposed (or disadvantaged) by the ruling structures in their home countries.

Show threadDeborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦2d ago

@mpjgregoire if you refer to the days of the "Loyalists" and the drawing of borders with the new US, I suspect that "loyalty to the crown" was just convenient short hand for "our team".

I guess I'm disconnected from that history, being the child of Europeans fleeing the mess of WW2.

Show threadM. Grégoire1d ago

@deborahh Yes, I am indeed thinking of the Loyalists — most of English Canada exists because of them [0]. They left the rebellious 13 colonies because of their loyalty to their government, to Crown and Parliament, not because they were especially fond of the Stamp Tax or the Québec Act. Modern English Canadians are heirs of the society the Loyalists established.

[0] Not Nova Scotia, Newfoundland or BC; maybe not PEI.

Show threadDeborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦1d ago
@mpjgregoire hmm. I really don't recall much about that period. Hey, I was a teen in a boring history class, it's understandable.
But "left the 13 colonies" … they didn't "leave anything. They "stayed" while the colonies "left", don't you think? This love of the status quo certainly seems familiar, LOL. Stay with the devil you know! 😂
Show threadM. Grégoire1d ago

@deborahh The #Loyalists left their homes and moved to the colony of Québec mostly; before the US Revolution, the area draining into the Great Lakes was inhabited (sparsely) by French settlers and the First Nations. Toronto, for instance, was founded by Loyalists in 1793.

The Loyalists who became Canadians mostly had lived in the colonies of New York and New England, other than the Black Loyalists, who (as I understand it) mostly came from the South.

#Canada #history

Show threadDeborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦1d ago
@mpjgregoire oh yeah! I forgot about them. Like the migration at the separation of India & Pakistan (but far fewer folks, I guess.)
Thanks for reminding me.