The permanent solution to energy pricing security is renewables.

That is why the greed-heads are desperate. DESPERATE!!!!! To stop it. There will be no commodity market or futures market speculating on these prices. Do you get it? Nobody is going to make $500million betting on the futures market of wind based on insider information from whoever. Same with solar, geothermal, and tidal/hydro.

@Okanogen

Reduce, Re-Use, Recycle, in that order.

@Okanogen

And now you know why they're fighting so hard to stop it.

@Okanogen

Nor will there be any more wars to get ME oil.

@Okanogen

Cheapest energy is the stuff we never burn. What’s cheaper than renewables is walkable cities and localized farming. The renewables can still be there, but the energy needed can absolutely be slashed.

Humanity knew how to build comfortable lives before cars. We know so much more now that we could do the same within a region and not burn the planet down anymore.

@Okanogen maybe that ist why they fight climate science. If there are no forecasts, you could speculate on sunshine hours and wind speeds.

@Okanogen Instead of volume, the focus must be on stability and predictability. (e.g every new solar park must come with a battery).
Grids must be modernized with better interconnects.
Commercial as well as home(!) usage must be monitored by grid operators to react faster.
Better long term storage solutions (days instead of hours) must be funded.

I'm not against renewables and I'm not for more home surveillance, but it's also not as simple as solar/wind/hydro good, natgas/coal/oil/nuclear bad.

@tecHunt

Nothing is as simple as it appears. But this particular case is interesting in just how close to being "renewables good, coal, oil and gas bad" it is.

In fact, very few things in life hew quite so close to the bleedin' obvious as this particular one.

Your complexities are minor todo items for a well functioning society. Useful for concern trolling though, big oil loves minor problems blown out of proportion.

@blogdiva

@Okanogen I'm guessing there will still be plenty of money to be made on mining futures.

cc @gerrymcgovern

@Okanogen @ai6yr

I submit that there are plenty of ways to make money from a clean power gird.

Have slightly better wind speed forecasts or cloud models. Make money. Know which dam will need to be rebuilt. Make money. Or whatever.

But that is different from existing fossil fuel power / heating / fuel systems. And so the people who make money from those act to keep them going; hurting everyone.