Mastodawn

MicroWave 4d ago

Trump says 'we're blowing up the whole country' if no Iran deal is reached in 48 hours

https://lemmy.world/post/45225421

Trump says 'we're blowing up the whole country' if no Iran deal is reached in 48 hours - Lemmy.World

Donald Trump said Sunday that if no peace deal is reached with Iran in the next 48 hours, “we’re blowing up the entire country.” The president made the threat Sunday to ABC News’ senior political correspondent Rachel Scott in response to a question regarding whether his previously stated timeline of two to three weeks for a deal was still accurate. Concerns have been raised about targeting civilian infrastructure in Iran and the consequences that could bring.

But we saved gaza, right?

Right?

ClassStruggle 4d ago

The arrogance behind that statement is disgusting.

Dionysus 4d ago

He’s right! That Communist Kamala would have sided with Israel and gaza would be nothing more than a pile of rubble.

If it wasn’t for Trump, both the Ukraine war and the Israeli war on Gaza would still be happening! Fuck think of all the dogs and the cats he’s saved in Bumfuck Nebraska from those immigrants!

^…checks notes…^ fuck.

spacesatan 4d ago

‘you stupid lefties wouldn’t settle for sacrificing tens of thousands of Gazans so that we could go back to brunch, I bet you sure regret it’

-person who still hasn’t questioned why sacrificing Gaza was a foregone conclusion

jumjummy 4d ago

One note Gaza Gaza Gaza. I don’t hear you fucks ever talk about all the other suffering in the world due to Trump and his regime, just Gaza.

Almost like your arguments are all bullshit and you’re just shills for all parties who want to tear dow the Western world.

If you were eligible to vote in the US general election, and you didn’t vote for Harris in November, you helped Trump win. Simple as that.

spacesatan 4d ago

‘just shut up about the genocide I wanted to ignore’ No. Everything trump has done so far still pales in comparison to Gaza.

Unless your only barometer for suffering is how much MSM talks about something I don’t see how you could think otherwise. Yeah ICE is evil, not tens of thousands of murdered children evil. Certainly not when we would still fucking have ICE anyway even if Kamala won.

You don’t have to shut up about genocide to talk about other awful things happening directly because of the US.

spacesatan 4d ago

It’s too bad your favorite cop really really wanted to help the genocide or maybe she could have won.

timbuck2themoon 4d ago

I’d argue the people who thought their smug self righteousness was more important are shit myself.

But hey, now we all get to live in this hell right? Or not live I guess.

spacesatan 4d ago

Let me get this straight

Supporting genocide: not shit

Refusing to support a genocide as a sacrificial lamb: shit

michaelmrose 4d ago

Voting against Hitler isn’t garbage because those in opposition could have influenced Harris or used their intact democracy to work on the issue by primaring dems.

The destruction of usaid alone will cause millions of preventable deaths including many kids. The stadium full of dead kids doesn’t care about your feelings

spacesatan 4d ago

The destruction of usaid alone will cause millions of preventable deaths including many kids. The stadium full of dead kids doesn’t care about your feelings

Organizations other than the CIA are capable of distributing food and vaccines

Maybe harris should have thought it was worth not supporting a genocide to prevent that.

michaelmrose 4d ago

Harris isn’t responsible for how we vote that is our and only our responsibility.

They did the beat job providing a convincing platform they knew how obviously insufficient but she like us got one vote

spacesatan 4d ago

Harris is absolutely responsible for her platform being pro-genocide what are you on about. It is the candidate’s job to appeal to voters, all she offered was ‘I’m not him so you have to vote for me’

michaelmrose 4d ago

Its our job to vote for whichever party will be better for America regardless of whether we agree on all areas

spacesatan 4d ago

Fuck america. All suffering matters equally, provocation notwithstanding.

also quoting myself from a different part of this comment thread

I would have maybe a single ounce of sympathy for the lib side of this argument if the stakes were lower. ‘You don’t always get everything you want’ is a hell of a lot more convincing if the left had refused to play ball over healthcare reform or something. But jesus christ ‘don’t do genocide’ is the lowest possible bar to clear and Kamala still refused.

michaelmrose 1d ago

I’m not a nationalist I’m a realist. This is why I voted for Harris and support armed forces to enforce a truce in Gaza and no further military aid to Israel.

You can feel however you like about the choices you have in front of you are still morally obliged to pick the least bad even if you aren’t happy with either but extremely simple principals.

Organizations other than the CIA are capable of distributing food and vaccines

So you don’t care how many poor people die as long as “US bad”. I’m glad their lives are bargain chips to you

spacesatan 3d ago

Unlike the Gazan lives that you definitely aren’t willing to concede as bargaining chips.

And right back around to the bad faith arguments.

spacesatan 3d ago

Great self awareness you’ve got there.

A quality which you seem to lack

spacesatan 3d ago

lol. lmao.

Is your head so far up your ass that you think

So you don’t care how many poor people die as long as “US bad”. I’m glad their lives are bargain chips to you

Is a good faith argument?

JeeBaiChow 4d ago

Yeah but they saved gaza!

Only they didnt. If anything their efforts have started to associate anti-genocide with a disaster like trump and practically guarantee people either switch off in disgust of their rethoric or just jump to the other side to avoid all the tankie bullshit.

sudoer777 4d ago

started to associate anti-genocide with a disaster like trump

So you’re saying your party is so pro-genocide that they can’t even convince people they meet Republican moral standards, which basically don’t exist.

spacesatan 4d ago

‘disgusting anti-genocide rhetoric’ literally burn it all down if that’s where we’re at idgaf

Not voting says you are happy for either candidate to win, not that you want neither to win. If you want that option, campaign for PR. What is your plan to get rid of Trump now?

your favorite cop

Most of us don’t like Kamala, but we voted for her because we’re not fucking morons.

NotASharkInAManSuit 3d ago

Who was your candidate?

No? It was never on the table, considering US and Israel’s history, was it?

But US coming face off? And even their loyal vassal states not touching the shit you get into.

Yea, can’t hide those war crimes behind the world police and hollywood “good guys” facade anymore. Scum

We had a canidate that wouldn’t be committing these war crimes.

But glad you’re happy that you can prove the US isn’t the good guy and it only cost Iranian lives

Canonical_Warlock 3d ago

We had a canidate that wouldn’t be committing these war crimes.

Jill Stein? I guess I don’t remember them saying anything supporting Israel but they were also just a known spoiler candidate so they hardly count.

You know international law gets fuzzy with supplying weapons and money. Which is what the US was providing Israel. Now we have the US military attacking nations directly.

So let me be clear we wouldn’t have invaded Venezuela and we wouldn’t be invading Iran. Those are the war crimes.

And were not even getting into the domestic issues thse days, lots of death there too.

But yeah let’s focus on one thing and ignore all the other way worse direct involvement actions that never would have happened

acargitz 4d ago

Have you been doing any Palestine solidarity work or is gaza just a gotcha for you?

JeeBaiChow 4d ago

Did we though?

acargitz 4d ago

You clearly didn’t. I’m not American.

JeeBaiChow 4d ago

Good. Neither am i.

“You can only care about Gaza if you pass my morality test. Don’t worry no matter what you did, I’ll arbitrarily judge it as not enough.”

acargitz 3d ago

Congratulations you defeated the strawman you created.

I asked for a minimal (do you do anything or is it just a rhetorical device?) not any kind of maximal (pass my morality test).

I pointed out the ludicrousness of your morality arguements. You want to talk rhetorical fallacies you’ve created a character arguement and set yourself as the only judge.

You threw out the facts and changed the arguement to be about the commentors’ morality, as you perceive it.

Don’t pretend to care about fallacies when your own hypocrisy is pointed out

acargitz 3d ago

The moral argument I made is precisely this:

Have you been doing any Palestine solidarity work or is gaza just a gotcha for you?

That’s the fact, visible to anyone just a few posts up the thread. Nothing thrown away.

From this you assumed that was setting up a different kind of gotcha, where I would instantly dismiss as not enough anything the other party would say. That’s your assumption, not what I said. The fallacy you accuse me of requires your assumption, does not stand on what I wrote alone. That in turn is exactly a strawman fallacy.

And yet you still choose to ignore the fallacy in setting up a morality test in the first place. Astonishing

acargitz 3d ago

You sidestep everything else (so, do you retract the assumption of a gotcha?) which is … moving the goalposts fallacy.

But let’s talk about the new goalposts. I did not set up the “test” in the first place. In the first place was a cheap moralistic finger wagging point about the tired cliché regarding supposed single issue voters refusing to back Harris. My “test” was precisely challenging the cheapness of that moralistic finger wagging.

So no, I didn’t do anything “in the first place”.

Any more bad faith one liner comebacks?

No I’m absolutely confident you setup a gotcha, but I deprived you the chance to use it by refusing to engage in it.

No goalposts were moved, nice try though.

acargitz 3d ago

Sure whatever.