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Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies.

Translation to English:

> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

> we do reduces attack surface. However, we don't have a "hardened security" approach, we aren't developing a phone for pedo(censored) so they can evade justice. So there aren't difficult things to check if the memory is corrupted, really hardened security stuff that could clearly be useful for executives, in the secret service, or whatever. That's not our goal, our goal is to start from an observation: today our personal data is constantly being plundered and that wouldn't be legal in real life

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

> with the mail or the telephone, we want to change that. So we are making you a product that changes that by default for anyone.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

Transcription in French:

> Il y a la surface d'attaque, là pour le coup on est pas des spécialistes de la sécurité, donc je ne pourrais pas te répondre avec précision, mais des discussions que j'ai eu, il semblerait que tout ce qu'on fait, ça réduit la surface d'attaque. Donc oui, probablement ça aide. Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice. Donc il y a pas des trucs pas possibles pour voir

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

> si la mémoire est pas corrompue, des trucs de sécu vraiment durcis qui pourraient être utiles clairement pour des dirigeants, dans les services secrets ou que sais-je. C'est pas notre but, notre but c'est de partir d'un constat, aujourd'hui nos données personnelles sont pillées en permanence et ça serait pas légal dans la vraie vie avec le courrier ou le téléphone, on veut changer ça. Donc on vous fait un produit qui change ça par défaut pour n'importe quelle personne.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

GrapheneOS exists to protect users from having their privacy invaded by arbitrary individuals, corporations and states. Privacy depends on security. GrapheneOS heavily improves both privacy and security while providing a high level of usability and near perfect app compatibility.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

/e/ has far worse privacy and security than the Android Open Source Project. They fail to keep up with important standard privacy and security patches for Android, Linux, firmware, drivers and HALs. They fail to provide current generation Android privacy and security protections.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

For years, Gaël Duval has spearheaded a campaign to misrepresent GrapheneOS as not being usable, not compatible with apps and only useful to a tiny minority of people. He has repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for pedophiles, criminals and spies while claiming /e/ is for everyone.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

It's hardly only GrapheneOS focusing on protecting users against exploits. Apple and Google have put a ton of work into it. Apple heavily focuses on privacy and security. That includes protecting against remote exploits, local exploits from compromised apps and data extraction.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

GrapheneOS and iOS are both heavily focused on privacy and security. Both are gradually adding much stronger protections against apps/sites scraping data, coercion users into giving data via alternatives with case-by-case consent and increasingly strong exploit protections.

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GrapheneOS 2d ago

/e/ is far weaker in all of these areas compared to the standard Android Open Source Project on secure hardware. It doesn't keep up with standards updates and protections. It adds tons of low security attack surface and privacy invasive services. It's not in the same space as us.

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@GrapheneOS

When Asked about age verification on their support forum, @murena buried and merged my question onto another topic which:
- had nothing to do with it;
- would have been closed after a couple of days not allowing more replies;
- and been vague about it, infact not stating their position.

Not really what you would expect from a company praising Privacy as their flagship.

Shame on me for being so naïve to trust them, and those who bought their devices

https://community.e.foundation/t/uk-government-voting-on-age-verification-for-vpn-users/78533/44

UK Government Voting On Age Verification for VPN Users

A form of age verification is likely to happen, also within the EU, and I don’t disagree with this in principle, because I see how young people are vulnerable. What I do disagree with is if this is left to the market and this becomes just another source of information for companies to better micro target advertisements. Reading the weathervane, it’s the most achievable to try to convince lawmakers of the dangers of that and to develop a tool that will just reveal the bare minimum (adult or no) a...

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