Vegan Chaos Community3d ago

Hi everybody, we are sending the warmest greetings from #Easterhegg in #Koblenz, Germany! 🌱🐰

Are there any more fellow #vegan creatures out here at #EH23 that would like to network?

We've just decided to meet for a sponantious & informal VEGAN CHAOS MEETUP on Sunday afternoon at 16:30. Let's meet in the hackcenter, at the door to Heaven. Then we'll look for a nice spot to chat and perhaps have a drink. :)

SAVE THE DATE! ALL CREATURES WELCOME! 💚 😊 💚 #Easterhegg2026

Show threaddorotaC3d ago
@vegan vegans will get name dropped at my talk!
Also could be relevant for ethical vegans.
Sunday 12:15
https://pretalx.eh23.easterhegg.eu/eh23/talk/FPXQKT/
Ghost in the stochastic parrot Easterhegg 23

Sci-fi started merging with the real world around 2022. That's when I started paying attention. Are LLMs definitely persons? Are they definitely not persons? What can we prove? (What about animals?) Machines indistinguishable from humans. But we can rule over machines without having ethical concerns! That's the promise of Isaac Asimov's books, if you don't pay attention. If you do, he's asking how human a robot needs to look like before it really becomes a bit human.

Show threadAnastasiia Onu1d ago

@dcz @vegan
What is "ethical veganism"? Can veganism be unethical?

I can imagine that certain individual vegans might be not very ethical in certain questions but that has nothing to do with them being vegans it's just humane thing.

Show threaddorotaC1d ago
@nastasime @vegan There are vegans which are unconcerned with ethical questions, like they don't like animal products on aesthetic grounds.
So I'd call it a-ethical veganism. Or aesthetical veganism.
I struggle to imagine unethical veganism. Perhaps when you believe that being alive is a bad thing, so you avoid killing animals to make them suffer instead?
I know, human language is confusing.
Show threadVegan Chaos Community1d ago

Yes, when people talk about “ethical #veganism”, they usually mean veganism motivated by ethical considerations.

There are other reasons why people choose to live a #vegan lifestyle, including some that many of us might find hard to relate to. Some claims would even be dismissed by a number of us as being incorrect. But that doesn’t mean that veganism not motivated by ethical considerations is automatically “unethical”. Binaries are only for computers! :)

@dcz @nastasime #eh23 #animalrights

Show threadAnastasiia Onu
@vegan @dcz
From what I know, veganism is not a lifestlyle but a principle according to which, humans must live without exploiting other animal species.
Other things are plant-based diet I guess.
I didn't know about this difference when I decided to become vegan, or rather embrace the principle. But since I learned about it it makes a lot of sense because in Eastern Europe where I'm from, people think it's just another fancy diet. And at family gatherings I should either take care of my food
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Show threadAnastasiia Onu1d ago
@vegan @dcz myself, or stay hungry if I don't want to make an exception from my diet on this special occasion. Basically, it's my problem.
And then, there's a bunch of "ex-vegans" who for various reasons (mostly inconvenience) decided to quit plant-based diet that they called veganism.
Both are very frustrating
Show threadVegan Chaos Community21h ago

@nastasime Yes, staying hungry or being asked to make an "exception" is very tiring and frustrating. Many of us can relate to that.

I think, those misconceptions you mentioned are also reasons why people want to emphasise that they are vegan for ethical and/or political reasons: because they reject violence and exploitation.

Show threaddorotaC1d ago
@nastasime @vegan I met people who said eating animals was icky. They called themselves vegans. The term "ethical vegan" is also not my invention, so I think the term "veganism" functions as more than just the principle.
I just use what I think is the most widespread understanding of the term - the difference is less than some other difficult terms.
Language is hard and imprecise...
Show threadVegan Chaos Community22h ago

@nastasime At least by the definition of the Vegan Society veganism is the principle AND way of living (= lifestyle, which means it effects all your life choices, not just your diet) seeking to exclude all forms of exploitation of & cruelty to animals.

(But reasons can vary. Whilst many of us do so for ethical/political/animal rights reasons, there are also religious justifications out there, or those with karma-based ideologies who believe that doing so would benefit themselves later, etc...)