RI DaSēr KJan 14

If there is no masculinity that is not an expression of patriarchy.........

If there is no such thing as non-toxic masculinity............

Then it stands to reason that the only moral/righteous gender is that of femininity, and it stands to reason that the only way for trans men to be good people is to detransition/never transition in the first place

And that, dear reader, is some TERF/TIRF bullshit.

Show threadRI DaSēr KJan 19

Related.

*looks pointedly over at Talia Bhatt, who hosts a whole podcast with a whole detransitioned trans man*

Show threadforestineJan 19
@so_treu i keep seeing so many people who i didn't think were TIRFS recommending Bhatt
Show threadJoscelyn Transpiring2d ago

@forestine @so_treu first time hearing about these asshats. These girls need to read some feminist writing by someone who isn’t white woman that hates trans and queer people. Like, just start with basic ideas like hegemonic and subjugated masculinities, and subaltern masculinities and all these radfem arguments fall the fuck apart.

It also speaks to me of transfems who didn’t actually engage with feminism before transition and do the work of dealing with toxic masculinity back when the world was still trying to foist masculinity on them. I’m thankful I did, because it clarified a lot of shit when it was time to nurture and cultivate my femininity

(note: since it wasn’t clear to some: not calling the TIRF in question a white woman. I don’t know her, but apparently she’s South Asian. I spcifically was referring above to the lineage of thought and “feminism” that she’s pulling from, which is people who were largely white women who were uncomfortable with or hated trans people and queerness.)

Show threadrefraction 2d ago
@JoscelynTransient @forestine calling a brown trans woman from India a "white woman that hates trans and queer people" is wild to see, especially coming from a white person.
Show threadforestine1d ago
@elexia @JoscelynTransient right, important to note that bhatt's politics (the original subject of this thread) do not make her white or undo her transness
Show threadJoscelyn Transpiring1d ago

@forestine @elexia oops, sorry, I genuinely don’t know this person. I was more reacting to just what was shared and how I’ve seen this stuff most often among white trans women. Thanks for calling me out and letting me know, I’ll add a note.

And the “hates trans and queer people” is because even if the person is trans, hating on other trans and queer people or cozying up to TERFs who hate us is still that.

Show threadrefraction 
@JoscelynTransient @forestine gonna need you to back up the claim that she's "cozying up to TERFs" cause the little bit we read of her she did exactly the opposite.
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Show threadJoscelyn Transpiring23h ago

@elexia to be clear: I don’t know anything about Bhatt and am really not trying to make claims about her. I would suggest going back and reading my original reply. I wasn’t really making any claims about Bhatt because I don’t know her. I didn’t claim she was white and I didn’t make specific claims about her.

What I was responding to was the discussion of TIRFs (Trans-inclusive radfems) in general (who I called “these asshats”). The intellectual lineage they are pulling from is one that specifically third wave feminism critiqued for centering white womanhood, enabled racism, and fostered Janice Raymond and the other TERFs. And by saying cozying up to TERFs, I might be a bit hyperbolic. I don’t follow that community much, but adopting big chunks of their ideology and arguing that trans men should detransition because masculinity is inherently evil is, just in my personal opinion, similar to cozying up to them.

If you think I’m wrong, I’m open to discussion on the topic. I don’t have the spoons to chase down this stuff, so I’m open to others sharing things and being educated. What makes you think Bhatt shouldn’t be described that way? What about the larger TIRF space? 🙂