Daniel AppelquistIf AI is so great, why does it always seem to be on the side of fascism? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yj97yd6v5o
Joachim Wiberg@torgo is not great, obviously. But allow me to point out an obvious little thing here – just about any technology can be used for evil. This has been a fact since the invention of fire, or the wheel.
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIESof course but the bulk of AI out of the gate is plutocrat political and economic agendas
so the theoretical observation that any technology can be used for good or evil has no meaning
the realistic observation is that AI as it exists today is a plutocrat tool to our detriment
until that changes, AI is shit
ignoring the reality to allude to some theoretical possibility is not accurate
@benroyce wow, that’s a very black or white attitude. Although I’m on your side ideologically, I’m thankful it’s not people like yourself that brought us out of the dark ages.
AI is useful and it’s a tool like anything else. Yes, we’ve tried to abolish and stop people from using and even knowing about science and tools before. Remember what happened? We learned that it’s the ideas and values that make us what we are.
joachim:
you're not stupid. you understand the bulk of AI is plutocrat controlled and malicious in intent
you can castigate me all you want. for the crime of what? understanding the real problem?
all that is revealed is that your naivete or willful dishonesty about the dominant problem with AI is profound
why would you do that? do you think people can't see what you're doing? that's embarrassing. do you not see what you're doing? that's far more embarrassing
@benroyce honey,
Get real. You are generalising to bring home what you think is the point. Yet you’re talking about explosives and the theory of nuclear physics in terms of good or bad. That’s what it looks like from the outside, and it’s not looking good.
I’m sorry, but this is where I’m getting off. This is a polarising issue and it’s blinding a lot of people. Take care.
you insist that AI can do good, which i have already acknowledged
that's not the point
the dominant issue with AI is its plutocrat control
by me making this observation to you, you get upset
😂
for my simple true observation, you experience an emotional point of departure?
that's ridiculous
and, i'm sorry (well, not really), it's kind of funny
you're not a serious person on this topic joachim
you tell me to a plastic "take care", i tell you stop being a fucking clown
you are right
theoretically
i point out that the dominant use of AI is malice by plutocracy
you suddenly get very emotional about that
which strikes me as quite absurd
why is it so emotional for you?
do you understand the difference between a theoretical observation and a reality as it currently exists?
if you do, it's very cut and dry. it's not emotional
people despise AI because of its current implementation
that's valid
why does that bother you so?
@benroyce what bothers me is nothing emotional but the black and whiteness of it all. You speak in general terms yet the questions you point out are specific, that’s all I’m talking about.
It may look superficial, but when “genai” is in the hands of everyone it will not be the same, right? All I’m saying is be vary of your choice of words. History has a way of catching up with you. @torgo
"but when “genai” is in the hands of everyone it will not be the same, right"
when guns are only in the hands of good people, we'll have peace forever
when nuclear is only in the hands of scientists, we'll have free power and no bombs
when fire is in the hands of cooks and not arsonists we'll have nirvana
etc, etc
i don't understand you joachim
you only value airhead kumbaya pablum and get emotional when someone tries to point out simple braindead obvious reality to you
@benroyce that’s quite enough! You’re misquoting me to win a simple point. I’m starting to see what kind of person you are, and it’s not looking great.
Why are you behaving so badly? I’ve really been trying to give you a fair ground here, yet you seem determined to destroy my character.
This is fine. We don’t share the same cultural context so weird things like “guns in the hand of good people” sticks more to you than me. Sorry about that, cheap shot, but hey you started it.
joachim:
i simply responded to your truthful observation, *which i acknowledged and agreed with*, to simply point out the current reality of AI is shit, which is absolutely true, and is why people hate AI
there's nothing wrong with my response, and it was respectful
it's not respectful anymore joachim
because i see now you are an absurd emotional clown on this topic
carry on as you will, a not serious person, and remain unimpactful on this topic as you are
what a farce
@benroyce oh dear lord, I’ve never in my life seen anything as disrespectful as this. So well done, I guess.
You can go on pretending to be ignorant to what’s happening. Development and progress, be it in the hands of the oligarchy or the workers. In this context you’ve obviously lost it.
Respectfully, Troglobit ✊
Disrespectfully: Ben Royce
Please pay attention to and address the reality of a topic and deemphasize your airhead fantasy life. Or remain an unserious person. Your choice. It's just all rather embarrassing
@benroyce we are obviously not living in the same time frame or reality. I’m sorry to hear of your early onset issues and am wishing you a swift recovery. ❤️🩹
And there's the inevitable block. Hallelujah
And the fucking clown thinks they are talking about reality 🤣
And then the fake plastic concern for my well being while the clown gets absurdly emotional over a rather cut and dry issue 😂
It's great entertainment at least 🍿
jablkoziemne@troglobit @benroyce @torgo I thought when you wrote "I’m sorry, but this is where I’m getting off." you would stop replying in this thread.
@jablkoziemne @troglobit @torgo
the contrast between word and behavior makes sense for a rational person
but perhaps for a chatbot the phrase at hand is just another probabilistically determined markov chain word salad having been trained on people arguing pointlessly