everton137

"If you care about privacy and security, you should install GrapheneOS on a Google Pixel phone instead."

This was a reply on Bluesky to my post where I said I was willing to install CalyxOS on my Fairphone. [1]

Before buying a Fairphone, I considered buying a Google Pixel. However, I didn't like the idea of depending on a cloud system to store my photos and music. Not to mention, it's a Google product. I wanted to be able to use an external storage card.

I chose the Fairphone because of the company's mission and the ability to install either /e/OS or CalyxOS. I prefer to stay out of OS wars, but if you can make a case for why one alternative Android OS is better than another in terms of privacy, I'd like to hear it.

#CalyxOS #eOS #GrapheneOS #Fairphone #GooglePixel #Google

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[1] https://social.vivaldi.net/@everton137/116347290316885359
everton137 (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image @[email protected] At the moment, I cannot fully understand the document you shared, so I used an AI assistant (sorry in advance) to try to understand it. I want to install #CalyxOS on my #Fairphone soon: "On CalyxOS specifically: CalyxOS uses microG, which implements partial Play Integrity support — but it typically only reaches MEETS_BASIC_INTEGRITY, not MEETS_STRONG_INTEGRITY. The wallet as architected would reject it outright." That is really problematic. Where is the #DigitalSovereignty here? Cc @[email protected] #EU #Germany

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Show threadneverbeaten1d ago

@everton137
My hot take:
There isn’t a perfect solution.
Graphene OS is unrivaled for security and privacy.
But the hardware options are incredibly limited and not repairable or upgradeable.

I absolutely love the concept of the Fairphone hardware. But the OSes it can run aren’t entirely divested from Google and it can’t be as secure as Graphene.

I want a phone that I can repair and upgrade. It should be able to use one or more MicroSD cards. It should be completely big tech free.

Show threadneverbeaten1d ago
@everton137
(Any current choices/paths are riddled with compromises)
Show threadstevelord1d ago
@[email protected] @[email protected] just as a counter, I’ve bought 3x Fairphone 4s and two have had lower logic board problems starting with USB and eventually extending to loss of microphone. The fixes are replacing the board, which has the same faults. Not saying everyone will have this but I won’t buy a 4th.
Show threadpoison punk1d ago

@neverbeaten @everton137

i have a finnish jolla C2 on sailfish but i don't know how repairable it is. i know nothing about i.t.

Show threadKurt1d ago
@everton137 GrapheneOS are going mainstream. Not because every user needs that agency grade security. But because the few really in need should not stand out.
Show threadJonas  1d ago

@everton137

Case against /e/OS and CalyxOS:
They are forks of @LineageOS but they are often way behind on security updates. You can use LineageOS and just harden it yourself. You can install LineageOS on several practical phones. We're talking SD card, auxiliary port, side-mounted fingerprint sensor, easy repairs and other practical hardware.

Case for GrapheneOS:
If you want the best of both worlds (practical hardware and privacy/security) you can (in the future) get a Motorola that can run GrapheneOS. The phones from Motorola are often repairable and many have auxiliary ports and SD card support.

Show threada53bdb1d ago

@everton137

FairPhone is developed and made in China. Most factories there cruelly exploit workers. I don’t think it’s more ethical than Apple, at least you can report the Chinese factories like Foxconn to Apple and it works. And they can’t ship latest Android major releases and security patches, which makes long term support useless. Both CalyxOS and /e/OS have privileged Google non-free binaries built-in, and much more.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24791-departure-of-calyx-calyxos-leadership-and-discontinuation-of-calyxos-updates

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

Departure of Calyx / CalyxOS leadership and discontinuation of CalyxOS updates - GrapheneOS Discussion Forum

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Show threada53bdb1d ago
@everton137 In short, FairPhone, /e/OS and CalyxOS are less secure and private than any mobile phone with a stock operating system that is still under maintenance. And in fact they are far from using a iPhone. Avoiding big technology companies does not always make you more private or secure.
Show threadDaniel21h ago

@everton137

"If you care about privacy and security, you should install GrapheneOS on a Google Pixel phone instead."Generalizations of people that have never heard of threat modelling.