Eldritch kcarruthersJust saying: if your plans include going door to door and asking if the household has hidden a minority group you hate inside you’re a fucking Nazi
Quinn Norton@kcarruthers oh no, what did I miss now
Catbrainz 🇱🇧🇦🇲🏳️🌈@quinn @kcarruthers israel is "letting " druze and christian villagers remain in Southern Lebanon on the condition that they expel the shia muslim refugees they're hosting. Otherwise they will also get ethnically cleansed.
@catbrainz @kcarruthers oh. Lovely. Great. Drop a link? Can't find it rn
@catbrainz @kcarruthers thank you!
@catbrainz @kcarruthers well that's a fuckton of yikes.
@quinn @catbrainz it’s very on brand for Israel
@kcarruthers @quinn unfortunately most people only became aware of israel's modus operandi with the most recent genocide in Gaza. Even me, a Lebanese who grew up in Lebanon, was blissfully unaware and uneducated on their operations in my own country. As a child you just don't learn about it in any way unless your parents talk about it. I started looking things up since 2023 and realizing israel has been committing these atrocities since even before its creation was gut wrenching. Made me truly understand the depth of anti-Arab racism from the west. Our lives mean nothing.
@catbrainz @kcarruthers I started blogging about it in 99, which of course no one ever saw. The IDF kept getting in trouble with holocaust survivors for putting numbers on the arms of Palestinian detainees. But the Israeli survivors of the Nazis aren't around anymore to get mad at the Israeli government.
Hurt people hurt people. The cycle turns again, and innocents die. Without something like massive truth and reconciliation efforts, deliberate cultural efforts to stop before the next cycle of violence, it won't stop on its own.
@quinn @kcarruthers of course. But the internal propaganda about "true land ownership" runs so deep that would undermine the very foundation that Israel stands on. Existentially, they can't do it.
@catbrainz @kcarruthers well, eventually they will have to. and it'll just as easy and pacific and easily done as the end of slavery in America.
wb x64@quinn @catbrainz @kcarruthers "fun" fact, from what I can tell the original Truth and Reconciliation is often considered to have been a band-aid over a gaping wound. Which is probably why the victims of the Nakba don't use that term as much as simply wanting their homes back and murderers punished.
There's not much reconciliation to be had if a home invader steals the top floors of your house, kills your parents, and forces you to live in the basement. The reconciliation is they go to jail.
@wilbr @quinn @kcarruthers yes, there will be no reconciliation without reparations and justice, and at this point this concerns the vast majority of Israelis - hence why I don't believe it will ever happen. Israel wouldn't survive it and nobody in a position of power will let it happen.
Noel Kelly@catbrainz @kcarruthers @quinn
Back circa 2005, there was an interview with an elderly Jewish woman on one of the national broadcasters. Talked about her life both in Israel and Australia. Family members who died in the Holocaust. Then in the middle of it, she talks about growing up in British Palatine*, and her family pushing Arabs of their land, then on to more reminiscing.
* My guess is that this was in the early 30s.
@gnoll110 @kcarruthers @quinn yeah, there seems to be a narrative being pushed recently that israelis aren't descendants of holocaust survivors - implying the survivors wouldn't do all those horrific things.
@quinn sorry you had to find out that way 😒