Anyway, setting aside the ethical concerns, it seems perfectly clear that "setting aside the ethical concerns" is *precisely* the problem.
It is what got us in to this nightmare, and it is what is keeping us in this nightmare.
Please stop pretending that "setting aside the ethical concerns" is anything but a verbal signal indicating one's unwillingness to take personal responsibility for one's actions.
@GeePawHill the function it can be useful in pointing out that something is functionally bad, to people who are beguiled by productivism. but at least frame it properly.
“if you are determined to ignore the ethical concerns, like (brief list of those concerns), if you are dead-set on abdicating your responsibly to the community for self-benefit, here's why it doesn't achieve self-benefit either.” then follow up with a dry-dick technical explanation that will satisfy even the quants
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