JP"ban-and-punish won't work, it's unenforceable etc" is not going to matter when the economics of this shit collapse completely, sometimes there are multiple reasons not to do a thing
allison@jplebreton what i worry about is that the actual value proposition of AI code generation isn't developer velocity, but centralizing control of digital infrastructure at the level of the code itself, and that the wealthy will be happy to subsidize that forever
@aparrish i don't think they *will* be able to subsidize it forever or even beyond the short term, but as always strategically we have to plan and counter whatever they might do *if they believe they can*.
emenel@jplebreton @aparrish yeah, this is my perspective as well. they literally cannot continue funding it. it will collapse. there’s no “if”…
some kind of orange shape@emenel @jplebreton @aparrish what i'm worried about is if there's a public option at some point. genAI as a government service could last as long as cops.
@emenel @jplebreton @aparrish when you're a nation state, you can just decide what things are worth. The US' policing spend makes no sense at all! But we make it happen, because the boot is worth it, somehow
@clayote @jplebreton @aparrish open ai loses $5b /quarter. even the usa deficit couldn’t just eat that.
@emenel @jplebreton @aparrish that's around the same amount that New York City spends on policing every year
The US federal government spent $30 billion on policing in the year 2017 -- that's Trump 1 numbers, before he went all in on ICE
The US could make government AI happen if it really wanted to.
mcc@jplebreton @aparrish my worry is that the techlords figure out some way to pay for it through taxation
@mcc @aparrish my reasoning that they won't be able to subsidize it forever isn't that they won't be able to invent whatever fictitious capital they need to "pay" for it, it's that all the interrelated production and logistic processes it depends on will degrade over the long term and/or suddenly hit crisis points. they have built a machine that destroys itself (and the society it's feeding off, unfortunately) over time. eventually (if we fight) they'll be forced to take the next offramp.
@jplebreton @aparrish I mean I think it's pretty easy to argue LLM pseudo-AI is a logical, inevitable endpoint of unfettered capitalism. A machine for pretending to do work
@mcc @aparrish definitely yes. a giant machine that drinks the alienated labor of an entire planet's worth of knowledge & culture workers, synthesizes and hyperconcentrates profits, and tries to re-consume its own waste products. a microcosm for the global-historic Machine Centipede as it lounges on the veranda overlooking extinction.
Mister Dave@jplebreton @mcc @aparrish "as it lounges on the veranda overlooking extinction" has rewired my brain.
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ティージェーグレェThe phrase, "developer velocity" on its own is so awful. I wonder what the etymology of it was?
It is as if the folks who came up with the whole: "move fast and break things" anti-pattern decided: "move faster and break MORE things" was their goal, instead of something to avoid.
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It is as if the folks who came up with the whole: "move fast and break things" anti-pattern decided: "move faster and break MORE things" was their goal, instead of something to avoid.
CC: @[email protected]