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Mark Holtom (aka Kingbeard)

It sucks when people are like "but flying is only 3% of global emissions" or "bitcoin is only 0.5%." It all adds up when you're in a climate emergency.
Out of ALL the nations of the world, 203 (all but 6) emit under 2% of global emissions.
- If global aviation were a nation it would be the #6 top emitter after China, the US, India, Russia, and Japan.
- The richest 1% of humans contribute 50% of all flying emissions! It is an incredibly privileged act.
As for Bitcoin, if it were a country, it emits more CO2 than 179 (86%) of the world's nations.

Dave Freedman 12h ago

@MarkHoltom
Corporations and billionaires pollute the air and water. Consumers pollute the air and water. I pollute the air and water. You pollute the air and water.

bytes4life 12h ago

@MarkHoltom
Agree... but! meat super-industry and irresponsible home warm/cooling sums too.

Yet another Josh

@bytes4life @MarkHoltom

"You took 2 minutes longer for your shower"

IS NOT COMPARABLE TO

"We are using 2 acre-feet per acre for 1000 acres for growing almonds in the motherfucking desert"

These sorts of comments above are what industrial plants use to forcibly sway public opinion.

https://www.c-win.org/cwin-water-blog/2024/9/23/water-and-agriculture-in-california

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 10h ago

@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom Data Centers?

Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)10h ago

@donhawkins @crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom even worse.

Yet another Josh

@donhawkins @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

If they are enforced to be done right, they can be fine.

Mandate solar builds that offset 125% of their yearly energy consumption. Suddenly, they make energy cheaper.

Data centers do NOT consume water. They only warm it. So, use geothermal loops and pump the heat away that way.

Sounds can be remedied by not fucking running 16 gas burner turbines - looking at you fuckhead musk. And also, acoustic shields and acoustic monitoring can also he mandated by localities.

Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)8h ago

@crankylinuxuser @donhawkins @bytes4life @MarkHoltom theoretically good ideas, but companies have learnt how to pollute with regulatory capture. Former regulators make consulting companies and teach polluters how to pollute with carve outs or dilution. Then there are carve outs for specific industries also.

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 6h ago

@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom “If they are enforced to be done right, they can be fine.”

I’m sorry, are you in Finland, or Sweden, or?

I live in a toxic-capitalist hellscape called the United States of America where “private equity” rules the day. (1/4)

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 6h ago

Richie-rich decides all “mandates” & whether or not they can be leveraged to short markets for a quick buck. If they decide to use water to make Jim Jones flavored Kool-Aid they will.

Define “right”. (2/4)
@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 6h ago

Define “consume”. Water entering and exiting a data center goes through “some” altered state if only temperature. Thus it has been “used” to perform work during which it is unavailable to citizen “consumers” who PAY to consume it for life-sustaining.

AI development seems backasswards. (3/4)
@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 6h ago

Alternatively, DARPA. Largely taxpayer funded development of the Internet which was later released to the corporate whores to profit from & ultimately basterdize & break (they always do).

So if, as you say, “they can be fine”, define “fine” … and please cite a current, functioning, real world, profit-producing example. I’d luv to know about it. (4/4)
@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)4h ago

@donhawkins @crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom I agree wholeheartedly, because when everything has been consumed by capital market supremacy, nothing can really work for the people.

Yet another Josh

@tadbithuman @donhawkins @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

I do think we can talk about better applications of society, without the naysayers "I live in the USA".

So do I. Still doesnt change that we can do better. And we should do better. And we can demand our community governments do better.

Neo Ehproque 10h ago

@crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom looks like that's relatively average; Now the average looks unnecessarily high!

Yet another Josh

@ehproque @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

"NO U" is a kindergarten level argument. And that chart doesnt show HOW water is used other than ag, or how much.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics and GIS.

Again, growing almonds in a godsdamned desert by pumping acre-feet of water IN A DROUGHT is fucking stupid.

Neo Ehproque 8h ago

@crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom i was actually wondering what those countries that use 10% for Ag use the rest for. Of course this map does not say how much water they use overall

Yet another Josh

But for shitty end-stage capitalist countries, its easier to tell the masses that THEIR showers, THEIR meat eating, and THEIR drinking straws and THEIR showers are the real issue.

Its a perversion and weaponization of democracy, where if 'only enough people made the right choices', while obviously ignoring the fact that those with massive amounts of money previously distort these choices.

Most of us know what needs done, but haven't the power to enforce it. And corruption in governments, along with loving billionaires, none of them are arsed to care.

cauZation 10h ago

@MarkHoltom Are we really at the point of having to directly replace these abusers, so future generation have just a 5% chance of survival, let alone thriving?..

Karl Heinz Häsliprinz 10h ago

@MarkHoltom Every cruise missile hitting fossil fuel infrastructure should be celebrated, no matter if its in Iran, Qtar, Texas, Inner Mongolia or Siberia.

@MarkHoltom Yet the run to be billionaire is still a widespread idealization, seeing how new and old media represent a distorted reality.
Ask the average youngster if they would go for a life in luxury, disregarding any ethical principle, and /maybe/ they'll answer no. But a few seconds later they'll be on their smartphones, following the influencers proposing that exact idea.
"Gutta cavat lapidem". And now it's a torrent.

Leave rich people alone, they've suffered enough. Didn't you see the DOW dip below 50 thou?

They did their part when they bought Elons electric cars, give them a break man, they are saving the planet all by themselves.

AhanafRashid 9h ago

@MarkHoltom I don't think corporations harm our environment in a decade as much as numerous oil field explosions do.

@MarkHoltom A better number is to measure how much of your individual emissions comes from flying - if you're flying (and especially if you're flying often). The proportions are crazy.

Scale Theory 8h ago

Making trillions.... at everyone's expense, which is society as a whole.

ProScience 🇪🇺8h ago

The claims on the image are unfortunately incorrect.

Very true. Yet it couldn't happen if we didn't buy their shit.

I remember when a car didn't need seat heaters, wifi, bluetooth, satellite radio, heated steering wheels, digital instrumentation, climate controlled HVAC systems, automated headlights, 360 cameras, televisions and DVRs, powered moonroofs.... the list goes on.

We don't need $75,000 pickup trucks and luxury vehicles.

But we buy them.

Now lets talk about our cell phones.

You can bet that every single bit of tech designed to "make your life better" is making a billionaire, somewhere.

@MarkHoltom so I guess - good news everyone, this will about to change in about… mmm t- n days, depending where you are located, as but n is < 30 days - air travel will become more and more available just to the y% of the population where y is - no one who is on mastadon;)… until the electric drone “microbuss” (for people from behind the former iron curtain - “mikrushka”) type of short hop electric flying things will swarm to fill in the market hole (my prediction #bongwisdom =)

EndicottRoad59 7h ago

@MarkHoltom And their greed will destroy the human race.

desirable_dialogue 7h ago

@MarkHoltom it absolutely is the common people who enable all this fuckery.

And if the common people realize that, they can also realize their power and revolt.

@MarkHoltom @temptoetiam problem is, the large scale polluters are our dealers. If we actually wanted to stop them, we probably could, or at least we probably could have.