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Mark Holtom (aka Kingbeard)20h ago

It sucks when people are like "but flying is only 3% of global emissions" or "bitcoin is only 0.5%." It all adds up when you're in a climate emergency.
Out of ALL the nations of the world, 203 (all but 6) emit under 2% of global emissions.
- If global aviation were a nation it would be the #6 top emitter after China, the US, India, Russia, and Japan.
- The richest 1% of humans contribute 50% of all flying emissions! It is an incredibly privileged act.
As for Bitcoin, if it were a country, it emits more CO2 than 179 (86%) of the world's nations.

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Agree... but! meat super-industry and irresponsible home warm/cooling sums too.

Yet another Josh

@bytes4life @MarkHoltom

"You took 2 minutes longer for your shower"

IS NOT COMPARABLE TO

"We are using 2 acre-feet per acre for 1000 acres for growing almonds in the motherfucking desert"

These sorts of comments above are what industrial plants use to forcibly sway public opinion.

https://www.c-win.org/cwin-water-blog/2024/9/23/water-and-agriculture-in-california

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 16h ago

@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom Data Centers?

Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)16h ago

@donhawkins @crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom even worse.

Yet another Josh

@donhawkins @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

If they are enforced to be done right, they can be fine.

Mandate solar builds that offset 125% of their yearly energy consumption. Suddenly, they make energy cheaper.

Data centers do NOT consume water. They only warm it. So, use geothermal loops and pump the heat away that way.

Sounds can be remedied by not fucking running 16 gas burner turbines - looking at you fuckhead musk. And also, acoustic shields and acoustic monitoring can also he mandated by localities.

Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)14h ago

@crankylinuxuser @donhawkins @bytes4life @MarkHoltom theoretically good ideas, but companies have learnt how to pollute with regulatory capture. Former regulators make consulting companies and teach polluters how to pollute with carve outs or dilution. Then there are carve outs for specific industries also.

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 12h ago

@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom “If they are enforced to be done right, they can be fine.”

I’m sorry, are you in Finland, or Sweden, or?

I live in a toxic-capitalist hellscape called the United States of America where “private equity” rules the day. (1/4)

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 12h ago

Richie-rich decides all “mandates” & whether or not they can be leveraged to short markets for a quick buck. If they decide to use water to make Jim Jones flavored Kool-Aid they will.

Define “right”. (2/4)
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Don Hawkins - W7DAH 12h ago

Define “consume”. Water entering and exiting a data center goes through “some” altered state if only temperature. Thus it has been “used” to perform work during which it is unavailable to citizen “consumers” who PAY to consume it for life-sustaining.

AI development seems backasswards. (3/4)
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Don Hawkins - W7DAH 12h ago

Alternatively, DARPA. Largely taxpayer funded development of the Internet which was later released to the corporate whores to profit from & ultimately basterdize & break (they always do).

So if, as you say, “they can be fine”, define “fine” … and please cite a current, functioning, real world, profit-producing example. I’d luv to know about it. (4/4)
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Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)10h ago

@donhawkins @crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom I agree wholeheartedly, because when everything has been consumed by capital market supremacy, nothing can really work for the people.

Yet another Josh

@tadbithuman @donhawkins @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

I do think we can talk about better applications of society, without the naysayers "I live in the USA".

So do I. Still doesnt change that we can do better. And we should do better. And we can demand our community governments do better.

Don Hawkins - W7DAH 54m ago

@crankylinuxuser @tadbithuman @bytes4life @MarkHoltom I appreciate your positivity. I hope that’s true. What we are experiencing currently is not encouraging and that is despite the efforts of many. We live in a Corporatocracy. The thing that was elected president is a global threat.

Neo Ehproque 16h ago

@crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom looks like that's relatively average; Now the average looks unnecessarily high!

Yet another Josh

@ehproque @bytes4life @MarkHoltom

"NO U" is a kindergarten level argument. And that chart doesnt show HOW water is used other than ag, or how much.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics and GIS.

Again, growing almonds in a godsdamned desert by pumping acre-feet of water IN A DROUGHT is fucking stupid.

Neo Ehproque 14h ago

@crankylinuxuser @bytes4life @MarkHoltom i was actually wondering what those countries that use 10% for Ag use the rest for. Of course this map does not say how much water they use overall