silence7Pentagon To Host Good Friday Service Just For Protestants, Not Catholics
StevePentagon says “no”.
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Burn those assholes 👍
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As the Pentagon doesn’t host services for the holidays of other religions, this is a clear violation of the separation of church and state.
Just add it to all the other violations.
Unfortunately, it’s added to the list of “so sue me” which is basically this administration response on anything they have done in the last year and change
What are you going to do about it? Is the only question that matters to this gangster Administration.
The Constitution allows for the possibility of a gangster Administration. Checks and balances. The hope was that the Supreme Court and Congress would keep the executive branch in check.
The Constitution also recognizes that no system is perfect, so it adds the right to bear arms. Not for sport. Not for defense. The Second Amendment exists specifically to fight tyranny. Just in case the elections get rigged and an extremist party takes control.
Such an unlikely scenario, amiright?
…the argument your making about the 2nd amendment is why it’s now obsolete. When America was founded, firearms could actually be used to overthrow a corrupt government. They had practical utility. At this point, however, half the population armed with assault rifles wouldn’t make a difference. A combination of the government’s mass surveillance and superior firepower would put down the rebellion before it got off the ground
I’m of the opinion that the constitution should adjust to changing times. 18th century laws aren’t geared to solve 21st century issues.
Totally agree with you, a handgun is no match for a tank. If the military wants to make war on citizens, they will lose.
However, there is more going on that meets the eye. Many members of the military would not want to shoot their own citizens. And armed citizens can still do more damage than unarmed citizens. In other words, the 2A forces an authoritarian administration to use violence in order to repress the citizens. It ups the stakes.
But, yeah, with the current surveillance state, along with the culpability of the media, it seems a dubious proposition that armed citizens can save themselves from the fascists. Regardless, I have suddenly become a HUGE proponent of guns. Especially when I see the Black Panthers providing security for demonstrators. Respect.
They have their advantages. They aren’t particularly good at protecting a person since a person that owns or wields a firearm is much, much, much more likely to be stabbed or show (the other person in the altercation needs to kill or disable the person with the gun to preserve their own life), but they make a great store of wealth.
If a person ever needs money, they can easily make a profit…especially on the black market. This is arguably one of the most important benefits to most gun owners.
Many members of the military would not want to shoot their own citizens.
Which has nothing to do with the second amendment. That’d be equally true whether the citizens are armed or not. Actually, more likely to be true if they’re not armed.
Yeah, sorry, sometimes my ADHD just randomly throws in a clown. I mean, an entire non-sequitur sentence.
When America was founded, firearms could actually be used to overthrow a corrupt government.
There are almost no cases in history where this happened. And the big driver for the 2nd was southern states wanting to put down slave rebellions, and all the states wanting to continue their genocide of Native Americans. A citzenry with muskets might not survive a battle with a real military, but it sure as shit could overpower some enslaved people trying to resist and some pre-industrial people with bows and arrows.
I don’t buy this. Controlling firearms and restricting who exactly can join a militia was a common strategy for preventing rebellions at the time the United States was founded. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with giving armies and local militia firearms.
See, this is why I love real conversation! Now I’m learning something! Thanks for dropping by and sharing!
Fr, I’d never heard this mentioned. It’s a great POV on militias that deserves to be considered. I’ve got some reading to do now….
AnUnusualRelicI thought the second amendment was there because militias were cheaper than a standing army.
I’ll just put this violation with the other violations, then…
TryingToBeGood…anymore? When my mother worked there (admittedly, decades ago), the catholic chaplain conducted mass every Friday morning. (Very quickly. “GodblessAmenGetbacktowork.”) They also had other religion’s services. Nothing mandatory.
This is false.
The Pentagon hosts a Ramadan dinner (at the end of the holiday, to celebrate the conclusion of the fasting ritual).
The Pentagon has hosted Hanukkah menorah lighting ceremonies. (I’m not sure if they still do.)
The issue here isn’t the sponsoring of a religious activity. The function of the military is to send soldiers to their deaths. Those soldiers who need spiritual support should absolutely have access to it.
The issue is the president and the defense secretary have incorporated evangelical Christianity into their cronyism. Religion is being used as a litmus test for loyalty.
Signed,
A pragmatic (ex-militant) atheist
nymnympseudonymAnd us Atheists who point out that all the various Gods are fucking fanfic have to shut up and take it
I mean, take what?
That the exclusive nature of any base doing anything religious is smaller this time than it normally is?
Like, I’m a vet, I’m an atheist…
I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about.
If it was slightly more inclusive it wouldn’t be news and no one would care about every still excluded.
Which just means more people realize how fucked any religious association is, and that modern chaplains should be replaced with trained social workers.
Overall Kegsworth overstepping early works like a vaccine
Bro…
If you think he’s bad, do you have any idea what the Air Force has been like for decades?
Here’s an article from 20+ years ago illustrating it’s a known problem we just won’t fix:
Professor KRISTEN LESLIE (Yale Divinity School): And she was scared and was not able to move, and so the other cadets in a way to cheer her on were trying to support her but yelling very evangelical, `Jesus will be with you. Jesus will save you,’ and that struck us as odd as a way to motivate someone in an environment that is not intended to be a religious environment.
BRADY: During a Protestant church service, Leslie says chaplains urged cadets to proselytize their bunk mates and warned that if they didn’t turn their lives over to Jesus…
Prof. LESLIE: …they would burn in the fires of hell.
npr.org/…/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religiou…
You know who runs the Air Force Academy board now?
Erika fucking Kirk.
They religious far right have been grooming incoming officers for decades and now they’re 20-30 year high ranking officers.
…
And you’re mad that the annual Christian celebration just now cut off Catholics?
Anti-theists are stuck in the classic bigot’s dilemma.
On the one hand, they hate the administration. On the other, they love religious discrimination.
EntheoNautThese fascists are NOT religious, they’re pandering to the evangelicals, sheep and muggles.
They’re the biblical definition of evil and corruption incarnate.
This is literally what “taking the Lord’s name in vain” is (it’s not yelling “God Fucking Damn It” when you stub your teo).
CharlesDarwinThey…are?
Nazis
Was there not an entire deal during the Amy Coney Barrett confirmation hearings where the GOP was up in arms about the left being ‘anti-Catholic’ for questioning her beliefs about abortion and about queer rights? And now they’re doing this?
I’m not surprised by the hypocrisy, I just feel like it merits pointing out.
LumpyPancakesHmmm. Where’s my colander…
If only we had a “liberal media”, they would be quite busy asking more questions about the Seven Mountain Mandate and scum of the Earth like Drinky Pete.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate
Not one of these assholes believes in the Constitution nor what America is supposed to stand for. And no, this place was not founded as Jesusland.
PityPityBangBangThe Holy American Empire is becoming a reality
Fuck Heslgsetu with a hot poker and all, but this is not as bad as it sounds.
It’s just saying there’s only 1 Christian service for Good Friday, and it’s Protestant. The reason for that is probably because Catholic Mass is less inclusive than Protestant. For instance: you have to been through Catholic Confirmation to take part in Communion in a Catholic Mass, whereas Protestant churches typically have open communion allowing anyone - including Catholics - to take part.
This just flat out isn’t true. I’ve not been through confirmation and I’ve been to Catholic masses. When it’s time to receive eucharist you just join the line, but cross your arms over your chest. The priest gives you a blessing instead. That’s the only difference if you’re not confirmed.
Maybe some Catholic Churches operate the way you say, but it’s absolutely not required.
You just specifically described how they aren’t allowed to take part in the Eucharist. Most Protestant services have an open table, where anybody can take part in the sacrament.
Yes, but the eucharist is a tiny part of a service, and you still participate, you just get a blessing instead. Suggesting that somehow counts as excluding people would be stretching the word to breaking point.
If you’re setting up a joint service for the holiday, which do you pick? The one that has restrictions limiting the participation of most people, or the one that allows anyone to participate fully?
The drunk bastard is turning the Pentagon into a church and the US military will become the Christian version of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Fucking Dominionists. Harder to get rid of than cockroaches.
Yes, there are absolutely Catholics to the left of the pope, less than under Francis but still.
The whole “trad-cath” movement is essentially a rejection of Vatican II reforms. Hell, Nick Fuentes is Catholic
you mean to the right of the pope no? unless you mean the one who liked the high price shoes.
Really?
I honestly didn’t know that cause I thought the circle was all “Evangelical” or at least posing as that.
Vance is supposedly Catholic. He’s also been called out by two popes for how bad of a Catholic he is. I wouldn’t doubt that he’s converted and no longer functionally Catholic, if he ever rreally was one.
He’s a cultish cuntish Catholic like Thiel. In fact he probably converted to demonstrate his servility to Thiel.
And Vance made the rookie mistake of lecturing the Pope on some of his cultish bullshit. For a person devoid or charisma or original ideas, he really is an arrogant shit.
All the conservative members of the Supreme Court are RC.
Paranoid FactoidWhere are your MAGA friends now, Opus Dei?
Sounds like the Pope’s getting fed up with those reactionary shitheads too.
Favoring one religion over another is a clear violation of the First Amendment.
I’m Episcopalian. One of my mentors was a wonderful old bishop who once noted that Christianity goes through a sort of 500-year cycle where we see segments of the church get real wealthy and in bed with political power, followed by a group that seeks reforms, who then themselves become the “in-group.” The Protestant Reformation happened about 500 years ago, protesting the wealth and political hegemony of the Roman Catholic Church…
Watching the Western world the past several decades has convinced me that we’re witnessing Protestantism’s “high medieval era” moment. I wonder what the new reformation will look like? It’ll probably all happen a lot quicker than the Protestant Reformation’s process did.