HeliomassI feel like we’re supposed to believe Bluesky is going to become some open standard utopia like the Fediverse, but I don’t think it’s anywhere close, nor is it ever going to be.
Patrick@PatrickoftheG Succinctly put!
A.B. Murrow@heliomass Nah, total open washing. Who else is running ATproto? Can they just extend the spec and expect everyone else to follow suit? It's unlikely BlueSky will ever be willing to actually let anyone else join in on the market as an equal player.
Hermann Käser@abmurrow @heliomass there's at least one reasonably active AT Proto alternative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksky
@hermzz @heliomass I've heard of this before but never really took a look at it.
Its seems pretty cool! Fairly independent, and looks like it is based on a slightly different stack, which is nice to see.
I guess the question is: who budges when the protocol needs to change, and under what circumstances does someone feel the need to change ATProto?
If BlueSky decides to limit access to their API unless you register as a certified ATProto developer (vis-a-vis the current Android v Google showdown), would that harm BlackSky?
Likewise, if BlackSky keeps growing and decide they need something new, are they free to implement it or do they have to wait on BlueSky to catch up?
This is a cool project and I'm glad it was able to find purchase. I think the key to making the protocol Actually Good (read: actually open) to make things like this so pervasive or so undeniable that it waters down BlueSky's unique market position. Of course, ActivityPub interoperability would be cool too, but I understand that the Black community's experience on Masto has been pretty bad, so that may not come to fruition until the community here changes.
*something something that-xkcd-comic-about-n+1-competing-protocols* but, I mean, if BlueSky's going to publish the damn thing for free someone oughtta use it before they decide to lock it down.
Émilio Gonzalez@heliomass strange take, bsky PBC has done basically everything they needed so far to make atproto "bsky PBC-proof". What makes you think otherwise?