RE: https://mastodon.green/@gerrymcgovern/116334729524665446

New paper about local temperature impact of AI data centers:

The data heat island effect: quantifying the impact of AI data centers in a warming world
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403073048_The_data_heat_island_effect_quantifying_the_impact_of_AI_data_centers_in_a_warming_world

#AI #DataCenter #HeatIsland

@toxi

Exothermal architecture releases heat.
World breaking discovery.

#nobelprize for sure.

@n_dimension I really don't think that's the discovery here or that this paper even is about this being a discovery! It's documenting the actual scale of this in more detail, because I don't think that heat effect/extent is very well understood, at least not by local council politicians and other decision makers responsible for greenlighting such DC projects (or by residents who might use this information too). Plus, this is in addition to the already much better documented noise pollution (also not a world breaking discovery as you frame it), so I don't quite get what your sarcasm tries to achieve here...

@toxi

The further you are into a modern Australian suburb, the hotter it gets due to climate hostile architecture, at 2klicks in its 5 degrees C hotter.

What does it mean?
Data centres create almost as much heat at similar distances as modern housing infrastructure.

The problem isn't as much data centres but fundamental design choices in a #climatecatastrophe world.

An industrial roof with solar and/or lawn installed;
(EPA) data shows surfaces can be 31°C cooler than conventional roofs, reduce cooling loads by 70%, and lower indoor air temperatures by 15°C
With the outside taken care of, the cooling is easier.
Its not the total solution, but we are not even trying
But that's too #woke for the current crop of vandals.

@n_dimension Yeah, Meteoblue had some good research about the city heat island effect too:

https://content.meteoblue.com/en/business-solutions/meteo-climate-services/city-climate/climate-adaptation

But in the end, does it really matter to the environment/neighborhoods if the heat is generated by AI compute itself or not if these large-scale building structures are adding/extending this already hard to combat effect even further, and that for dubious benefits to these areas or society at large? The entire premise of hyperscaling/bruteforcing AI tech (not only the compute parts) is so completely inverse proportional to the actual reality in terms of resources (all kinds, incl. land use) and the trajectory we're on as civilization. They're selling a cornucopia dream of sheer abundance and consumption which just isn't anchored to any form of material reality or even concrete needs. I've never seen a bigger house of cards...