Elizabeth  1d ago

I am going to say this now for all the liberals in the back:

If you insist on Gavin Newsom in 2028, you will lose the election. If you screw progressive candidates, Democrats will never win another election in the United States, because there will never be another free or fair election. That will squarely be put on your shoulders.

I will not vote for Newsom in the general election if he is on the ballot. I am not voting for my own destruction. I am aware of what is at stake: the continued existence of millions of trans people, and the existence of millions more who live in poverty but whom he will not help.

Gavin Newsom will do nothing for the cost of living. He does not care. California remains one of the most expensive states in the nation and it is shrinking for a reason. San Francisco has an apocalyptic level housing crisis and his solution has mostly been to make it illegal to be homeless.

He is not likeable to your average person. People do not want "Kamala Harris but this time he's a white guy."
Millenials will not come out and vote for him. Gen Z absolutely will not vote for him. Your average independent will not vote for him. He is likeable to your average milquetoast Californian, the same kind of people who voted against (yes, against) affirmative action, twice. The same kind of people who voted for California prop 8 because they believed gay panic bullshit.

You will show that you do not support trans people. A vote for Newsom is telling every trans person you know: "I will toss you in a woodchipper because I like mediocrity. Your life does not matter to me at all." I already knew that, but everyone will know that. It will be as much of a black mark on you as supporting redlining back in the 60's was, even for people who said shit like "but I don't support segregation..."

Show threadBK Wooramel1d ago

@Elizafox The US electoral system is 'First Past the Post' or Winner takes all.
Those systems inevitably end up with two parties: Awful, and Slightly Less Awful.
If you do not vote for 'Slightly Less Awful' you get 'Awful'.
Those are your choices. If you think 'Any Republican' is worse than 'Gavin Newson', vote for Gavin Newsom or you get 'Any Republican'.
This purity bullshit about 'OMG my candidate does some awful things!' will get you the worst possible outcome.

Here's your solution: Vote for 'Slightly Less Awful' party every time. In local elections support candidates who want to reform US elections into a Proportional Representation system. (There are several systems to choose from).
With proportional representational systems of government you tend toward less extreme polarization of parties because *every vote counts* even those for third parties.

But for now, vote 'Less Awful', or get Awful. Those are your *only* choices.

Show threadPsy Chuan 1d ago
@wooramel @Elizafox then let it burn.
Show threadBK Wooramel
@PsyChuan @Elizafox It is. That's what not voting for the least worst option gets you.
Apr 2 at 10:56pmWeb
Show threadPsy Chuan 1d ago

@wooramel @Elizafox then let the country burn. if short-sighted mooks like you can only offer 'bad' and 'worse' and not actually 'good' then you've fucked something up spectacularly and let the entire thing burn to the ground. frankly, perhaps it's about time libs were affected by the policies they're so eager to put others through in the name of "the lesser evil," see how "lesser" it really is.

liberals are scum.

Show threadBK Wooramel20h ago

@PsyChuan @Elizafox
Until the US electoral system gets Proportional Representation it will always be 'Bad' or 'Worse'.
Scream all you want. If you dont vote for one party the other party is more likely to get in.
There are no other choices.
Your shouting at me doesn't change that.
If you think another republican administration is the best option for humanity, by all means give them your vote!

Locally, support candidates that want to change the US electoral system to Proportional Representation so you *can* vote for other options in a meaningful way. Getting rid of the duopoly of two parties in a Winner Takes All system solves many many of the extremist policies you're currently suffering through.