ThalesDemocrat strategists
new_world_odorFucking purity testing bullshit, fully functional and operational at the highest levels. The left will purity test itself into extinction if it doesn’t realize it’s happening.
I don’t expect purity but I expect the ability to self-reflect and grow when personal behaviors are questioned by others who share a substantial amount of your world views. Instead of exploring his relationship with his dog (owner/accessory), he doubled down and his fanbase closed ranks to defend a behavior a lot of people find abhorrent. Treating animals like property and setting unrealistic expectations for their compliance while you use them as a backdrop is not a leftist virtue. A loyal audience is not there to normalize abusive behavior and run with the narrative “any questioning of what happened is a right wing attempt to undermine him”. A person can talk all the talk they want, if their walk doesn’t match the tone and they cannot accept that their views may occasionally need growth, fuck ‘em. We don’t need leftist demagogues, we need leaders and speakers with character who aren’t afraid to confront themselves and their beliefs.
Instead of exploring his relationship with his dog (owner/accessory)
All of this comment points to you needing to gain some emotional maturity. You sound as if you’ve either never owned a dog or have only ever owned already trained dogs.
I can grab a piece of paper loudly and my dog will crumple as if I’ve beaten her every day of her life. Never hit her once. Never shocked her with a collar, only ever used the beeps and vibration. All I need to do is pick up the remote and she will cower. Mind you, I shower this dog with love every day and again — I’ve never once hurt her besides maybe stepping on her tail.
I think you need to exhibit some personal growth here, tbh. If your reasons for disliking Hasan stem from this one incident vs the blatant hypocrisy he’s already shown — you need to rethink some things.
It’s disappointing that you discredit criticism of harm to another living creature while considering materialism like a house a bigger hypocrisy. They’re not mutually exclusive.
And you’re correct, I have never “owned” a dog. I’ve shared my life journey with many, but I didn’t “own” them. They’re not property even if the law and society view them as such. You conditioned your dog to cower at the sight of you picking up a remote? For fuck’s sake, you conditioned your dog to cower at a behavior that resulted in no physical consequence, just the idea it could result in physical consequence. What the fuck is wrong with you!?!
Yeah I would recommend getting back into an English class, maybe just like start all over from the beginning. Get a fresh start, refresh your brain. Maybe you’ll be able to learn how to read.
All I need to do is pick up the remote and she will cower.
Oh, I read what you wrote. You never hit your dog. Instead, you figured out what she was afraid of and used it to create a trigger to gain compliance. It’s no different than a parent threatening to hit their kid if they don’t stop. Why, when she cowers and shows fear, do you not cease the action that causes her distress? Why don’t you redirect the behavior you want her to cease into a behavior you’d like and can reward with positivity? Because compliance through fear is quicker and easier. No wonder Piker’s got so many apologists. This is how we end up with kid fuckers in office, the support base is up to the same shit as their guy and will defend their worst behavior so they can justify it at home. You sicken me.
Holy moly, you are nuts.
I’m sure your dogs run rampant all over you, no I will not be taking any of your advice. By the way, the action I was referring to was picking the remote up off the table. Simply to move it. Much like crumpling the paper was to throw it away. The dog is a skittish dog, and you’re fuckin nuts. You’re the exact kind of nutjob that probably freaked out and virtue signaled all over when Alinity ‘threw’ her cat.
Doubling down on the self-awareness that your action causes an irrational fear in your dog but that you would rather ignore the behavior than work her through it. She fears your tv remote because instead of taking the time to shape her behavior, you slapped a vibration collar on her to scare her when she behaved contrary to your expectations. The unintended consequence of a vibrate and beep collar is that now your dog is afraid of tv remotes and the sound crumpling paper.
The dogs I live with behave because I defined my expectations and set boundaries with patience, repetition, and reward for compliance. Using fear and force will get compliance, but it’s hollow, and as you’ve found out creates skittish dogs. It’s the tired old mentality that a little “tough love” is the solution. But by all means, keep justifying scare tactics and discomfort as tools for dog training. Holy moly, you are cruel.
And I think you’re an abusive asshole that uses force to get a dog that otherwise loves you to comply because you’re either lazy, incompetent, or enjoy the power. Maybe all three. I think you should experience the same conditioning.
You’re the one who put a collar designed to elicit a fear response on your dog, then tried to justify her cowering whenever she sees a remote or hears a loud sound.
Wait, is it that I use force on my dogs or I use a collar to exhibit a fear response?
Maybe you want to add that I hit my dog, since you’re already making whatever you want up?
You know what, I’m no longer of the opinion that you need to go back to school. You need therapy.
Your collar elicits a fear response (cowering), but also gets her to break off whatever behavior you found undesirable. The trigger (vibration/noise) isn’t in itself physically painful, but it startles her. You use psychological abuse (threat of being startled) to get compliance. Then, because vibration/noise isn’t in itself painful, you disregard the psychological effect that’s causing her to cower. You alternate this with “oh, but I love on her the rest of the time”. Alternating between love and fear is an abusive relationship.
Yes continue making whatever you want up. You definitely do not seem like an unhinged person.
I’d rather be the unhinged dude online criticizing using fear to get your dog to comply than the dude who boasts his dog cowers when he grabs a tv remote.
You mean the unhinged dude making shit up, be accurate. Most of the problems you take umbrage with are things I’ve literally stated the opposite of. Your points amount to ‘nuh uh, you’re actually abusive’.
Fucking delusional, genuinely. Work ok your reading comprehension and seek therapy.
Abusers frequently do love their victims. I don’t doubt you love your dog, and that she loves you. Doesn’t change that you are aware she fears the remote and that you’re okay with her cowering. You make no effort to comfort her nor teach her why she shouldn’t fear a remote. The remote isn’t going to hurt her, it just reminds her of the time you used a remote to scare her. Actions speak louder than the words you type.
Work on your understanding of classical conditioning and seek therapy.
Actions speak louder than the words you type
Oh I didn’t realize you know me in real life and have seen me with my dogs.
What’s my dogs name, by the way? Who are you as well, seeing as you seem to know me so well?
Ohhh, right right — you don’t know anything other than what I’ve typed and are completely delusional. Either that or you’re a bot, I’m actually inclined to believe you’re a bot at this point.
only ever used the beeps and vibration. All I need to do is pick up the remote and she will cower. Mind you, I shower this dog with love every day and again — I’ve never once hurt her besides maybe stepping on her tail.
Of course I don’t know you, internet stranger. All I have to go off of is what you’ve typed, which is the cycle of abuse. You love, you use fear to gain control, you go back to love. Your dog is in an inescapable situation, she obviously wants to love you, you don’t always use aversive methods to scare her into compliance, but you’re willing to. And you know it scares her, but you minimize the impact because “it doesn’t hurt” and “I give her love”.
Am I mistaken? Did you not say that you used a vibration and sound collar on her, that she’s now scared of a tv remote and the sound of crumpling paper? What’s the purpose of such a collar? Did you think startling her was a love language? Those things exist to spook a dog and get it to comply, not reward them for good behavior in a positive way.
Am I mistaken? Did you not say that you used a vibration and sound collar on her, that she’s now scared of a tv remote and the sound of crumpling paper?
Yes, you are mistaken you fucking moron. You can’t even get the order of details I gave you correctly.
You’re a delusional troglodyte and your dogs likely dominate you on a regular basis. You’re a joke of a human.
I’m just going off what you wrote. Still would rather be a joke of a human than the guy who emphasizes he makes his dog cower.