White House: Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War

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White House: Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War - Lemmy.World

Let’s just declare victory after losing!

America is good at not admitting they lost a war. Just ask any war since ww2.
In WW2 they fought against 20% of a Wehrmacht that was already functionally broken by the Soviet Union.

Well, let’s not forget that the US was also fighting against Japan for much of that time. And the invasion of occupied France and of Italy was not on easy mode either.

And the collapse of the Wehrmacht on the eastern front had as much to do with the Russian winter, failing supply chains due to non-USSR allied bombing of German factories and railways, and Hitler’s interference in military decisions as it did the accomplishments of the glorious Red Army, which for the first year or more of the invasion, was under-equipped and incompetently led. They learned and adapted, but Stalin’s misguided micromanagement and paranoia cost the USSR hundreds of thousands of soldiers’ and civilian lives.

Yeah, I’m not trying to glorify the Soviet Union.
And yes, the USA did do a large part in bringing down Germany.
But the narrative that America beat Germany and saved the world is incorrect.
Their factory workers had a bigger part in determining the outcome than their soldiers.
And the indices go up… until the ground invasion on Saturday. There is no plan, no strategy, he’s making it all up on the spot.

This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.

Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You’re so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we’re a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.

Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.

Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.

Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.

USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it’s already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.

The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.

Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?

China’s Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True

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The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
I actually went back and watched the original video, and it’s spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.

The fat old orange child molester will absolutely guarantee Iran has the bomb. Look ant North Korea. The US bombed it into oblivion and they took action so it would never happen again.
Allegedly the previous Ayatollah the USA killed was actually against Iran having nuclear weapons, as he considered it against the morals of Islam.
But I guess the next Ayatollah, will find a way to get around that.
Quick note, petroleum sanctions on Iran from the US are not lifted - the only thing permitted is to buy the barrels now at sea, i.e., from the dark fleet. Same deal with Russia.

OK that is probably true, it rings a bell.

But it still sounds a bit like a partial lift of sanctions, which for Iran is still better than before the war.

On a side note, it is not impossible that it will be extended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Asian countries begin to pick up oil directly from Iran, and ignore USA. USA has created an impossible situation for many countries, there are already rations in some countries.
Will USA then threaten those countries? Thailand, Philippines, Japan, China.

I think internationally Iran is in a better position now than before the war.

as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.

Despite mysterious (USA help for EU energy destruction gains) Ukrainian successes on Russian energy infrastructure these past weeks, Russia has surpassed Germany and Japan to be the 4th largest economy during the war. Massive military production rates, full employment, national unity, and high wage growth due to soldier deployment bonuses competing with rest of economy.

Russia has gotten stronger during war of attrition, outproducing entire west. If you want to weaken Russia, accept its peace, and propagandize its difficulty in economic transition. Russia would agree to reduce military production rates. World has far more important concerns than repeating Napoleon/Hitler defeats. Peace terms have always been extremely reasonable, with 8 year patience by Russia. Ukraine has lost the right to control Crimea and Donbas, and it is absurd to support its desires for NATO membership and nazification protections. EU must remove their CIA puppet rulers/media, or at least cut ties with CIA/Atlanticist handlers.

Russia has surpassed Germany and Japan to be the 4th largest economy during the war.

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You are seriously deluded. That’s by the heavily manipulated official numbers, and only by PPP, in international value they are only 9 despite their manipulated numbers.
This is also based on the current value of the Ruble, which is highly inflated because Russia has limited all imports and basically everything that requires money go out of Russia.
The truth is the country is in heavy deficits and have a very hard time financing it, because trust in the Russian economy is near zero. Both the federal government and several states are near bankrupt.

That the Russian economy should be bigger than Japan, Germany, UK and France is ridiculous. Russia is at best 11 in the world even by PPP. Ukraine is 45 with an open way more realistic economy with $730,758 million (IMF 2026 est) Russia state $7,340,795 million. How would it be possible for Russia to lose if they have a 10 times bigger economy and 4 times the population? The truth is that they obviously do not have the economy they claim.

How would it be possible for Russia to lose if they have a 10 times bigger economy and 4 times the population? The truth is that they obviously do not have the economy they claim.

Russia is winning. More territory every week. The strategic patience, with EU and US occupying bases inside it, of Putin is a disappointment, as it is political capital related, but the political theater of this war, Putin accepts patiently, has predetermined plot ending of Russian demands. This was always a weapons grifting war, with, what should have been understood as, a laughable propaganda campaign against Europeans.

Russia is winning. More territory every week.

No they are not, last month they lost more territory than they won, and Ukraine has completely thwarted the Russian spring offensive.

with EU and US occupying bases inside it

Neither EU or USA have any bases in Ukraine. Actually EU now has military personnel in Ukraine to be educated by the Ukrainians in drone strategies. Even if we had bases in Ukraine it would not be an occupation.

Putin accepts patiently, has predetermined plot

Like winning in three weeks?
Very convincing mr mc clown face. 🤡 🤡 🤡

The rest doesn’t make any sense, even with my abilities understanding 5 languages that enable me to understand most foreigners trying to speak English, IDK if you are Russian and very bad at English?

But very clearly you are seriously misinformed. And it’s laughable how you just carry on with new false points after your previous points are shown to be false.

Neither EU or USA have any bases in Ukraine.

The US occupying bases in Europe.

How is that in any way relevant, since those bases aren’t used against Russia?
And no USA is not occupying bases in Europe, they have bases in Europe because Europe allows it.

I think this next century is going to be that of the middle powers.

Countries that are agile, looking to innovate and solve problems, and work towards equitable futures for everyone.

America is all in on oligarchy and the nouveau riche, and nothing else. There is zero investment in the common good and zero care for the nation as a whole.

I just hope the American super-capitalist model will be abandoned together with the authoritarian model of Russia.
And I actually see a path to that effect, question is if we (western democracies) will take it.
So you want oligarchs to be in charge? Lmao that’s certainly a take.
Yes obviously not wanting super-capitalism or authoritarianism means I want oligarchs?
That makes a lot of sense if you don’t think about it.
I totally misread what you said. My bad man! I’m fighting pink eye right now so screens are hard. =-S
That’s OK bro. 😋

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Why can’t we just freaking have Star Trek economy already.

One replicator would be nice. 👍
“together with” (not “together, with… instituted”) means ze wants both to be done away with, not the former replaced with the latter
Yes we need to improve democracy, and limit the wealth and power of the 1%.
It was a hard job to top all the pointless republican war blunders of the past, but the orange clown managed to achieve this historical feat. Well done
I think the death count for the second Iraq war is higher, not to mention being responsible for creating ISIS.
so far, really early days yet

If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don’t think you can say you “won”.

Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.

I’m starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don’t really think.

you can say you “won”.

He didn’t say it, he declared it!

MAGA are virtuosically ignorant people who literally think the Truth is simply what they declare it to be, no matter how delusional that truth is to everybody else in the world.

He is going to 180 on this later today or tomorrow. He may have thought he’d get an easy win and leave like in Venezuela. Now that it’s clear that won’t happen, he thinks he can declare that he doesn’t need a deal after all and leave.

This is not a real estate deal and he can’t just leave. There are too many powerful people in the world who will find this outcome unacceptable. He is stuck and we are stuck there with him.

The MAGA US needs to lose this one.
Trump already has lost. There’s a Khomeni in charge of the country who is even more hardline than the last with a long queue of replacements should he get killed, they’ve not surrendered, they’re not negotiating and they’re only letting through ships they choose to. They’re still firing missiles at every Arab nation with a US base in it as well as at Israel. They’re still selling their oil. And now the Iran supported Houtis in Yemen have kicked off too, also lobbing missiles at Israel and threatening closing off the Bab al Mandab Strait which is the access to the Red Sea that’ll cut off access to the western oil pipelines Saudi Arabia has.
5D chess. It’s all part of the plan. . . or something. Oh look - a scary immigrant!

For what it’s worth, the Houthis are quiet now.

I read a rumor that the Saudis paid them off.

The sooner they stop fake negotiations and leave, the better for the world. Reopening straights is extremely easy for peaceful nations. Cheaper than insurance. Cheaper than not getting/selling oil and other goods.

So let me get this straight: You went to war to make things worse?

Yeah, for MAGA, that tracks.

Poker player: better hand not vital to stop playing game.
Is Trump going to say that Iran agreed to his terms without any proof? Is he going to bomb them again for not respecting the terms they agreed to in his mind?
You think presidents do this? Just go on Truth Social and post lies?