stux⚡️

It’s still worth to learn how to code!

I sometimes get the feeling it’s not worth it anymore because LLMs are getting better and faster everyday but you know what..

If you can code you can certainly enter text in a prompt

If you can only enter text in a promo you can’t solve bugs and issues yourself

It’s only a matter of time when actual knowledge is needed, LLMs are trained on our human work

Fuck those who replace humans for AI for profit

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Show threadpatatas12h ago
@stux also, solving puzzles is fun
Show threadstux⚡️12h ago
@patatas A lot
Show threadTizian 「ティツィアーン」12h ago

@stux I must admit, I was curious to see, whether an advanced LLM can do what I am trying to do; esp. with similar strict and explicit pointers and instructions.

It turns out, the models cannot even accept the length of the request. Breaking down the task into smaller bits makes it run into rabbit holes and repeated undoings of previous decisions. It is annoying and probably to an experienced, well-versed developer an atrocity to observe.

I can't definitely tell, for me, however, it is not worth it.  

Show threadMike Johnston12h ago
@stux I suck at front end dev and design but I always have ideas for websites that never end up looking good. In the last few months I've been able to crank out projects that look way better than I would have done myself... But I don't think AI would have been able to do on it's own either. It was inspiring enough to even buy two domains. It's a controversial topic I guess but I've been glad to be able to dabble with it
Show threadLegit_Spaghetti12h ago

@stux

Fuck those who replace humans for AI for profit

I mean, that's part of the tragedy of this whole thing: At this point, they're not even replacing people with Ai for profit, they're just replacing them for revenue.

Show threadTrebach12h ago
@stux Soon there will be a renewed need for developers to clean up vibe-coded "software" because LLMs tend not to take maintainability or security into account
Show threadDuchamp Pérez2h ago
@trebach @stux People talk about specs, but when one looks into it, the specs are markdown files with descriptions. For a non-deterministic systems, those are not specs, those are wishes
Show threadGraham12h ago

@stux In my experience with LLMs you still need to know how to code even if you’re just using it to write the code for you.

If you don’t know how to solve a problem in code you can’t effectively prompt an LLM to write that code for you unless it’s something very simple.

At that point though you’ve done most of the work so why not just write the code? 🤣

Show threadCassandrich11h ago
@stux LLMs don't (and won't) code anything anyway. What they do is let you reuse code somebody else already wrote without the need for attribution or following pesky licensing terms. When ppl have success with them in workplace environments it's because what they're "coding" is just adjusting some very generic business logic for their particular needs, and they don't care how much it gets wrong. It's way less real originality than an excel spreadsheet.
Show threadbsmall211h ago
@stux My guess is that coding, regardless of employment prospects, should be decent for learning. It can help learners with accuracy, like Bertrand Russel thought math did for people.. And then the HTDP people talk about a design process for learning Racket that can serve as the core of a liberal arts program... Learning to be in command of your computer can also ease one into the history of math and and how people developed ideas... It should help us to enjoy thinking, not to avoid thinking..
Show threadastroPug11h ago

@stux

It’s rough out there for us learners. I know the prompt gang finished their homework weeks ago, my faster classmates who did the work finished days ago. I can see why people get tempted. I enjoyed the process though.

Show threadAndrea Corbellini11h ago

@stux

> Fuck those who replace humans for AI for profit

I don't think this has actually happened yet (in the software industry). All of the events that have happened recently are actually a continuation of the post-covid layoffs. It's just that companies now use AI as an attempt to look good, rather than saying they're laying off people because they have budget problems

Show threadmilagemayvary9h ago

@stux

We desperately nee mored individuals investigating bugs.
The LLM output for bug reporting is overwhelming, but it's starting to produce legitimate 0day vulns at a scary pace.

I feel like the road is about to get very bumpy.

https://mstdn.social/@milagemayvary/116321702022246582

Show threadGeorge Dinwiddie9h ago
@stux I think they’re heading towards fucking themselves.
Show threadMilitaryG8h ago
@stux I'm programmer once I didn't know how to go forward so I asked AI which lead me in to totally wrong direction... Than I knew what's going on and I went to rewrite the entire code with totally different direction. Just for fun I posted the code. And you are right.. That's exactly...
#ai
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Show threadMilitaryG8h ago

@stux Once we solve bugs for them they are being smart ass for it like they know it all along. What they know is shit. It's a 1 year old child with too big database to process and it process it cuz it must human must find a way to ease that process to simplify computers can't do that. #AI is stupid as it can be. It's a great search tool tho. But not a puzzle solver.
#ai

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