Tjeerd RoyaardsChâteau Big Tech. Cartoon for Dutch newspaper Trouw.
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tastyraspberry@zed @royaards I used to think that, too. Turns out: when you're a publicly traded company, given enough time, anything you can get away with to increase shareholder value, you will do.
Not only does Apple engage in advertising (and collect much of the same info that Facebook collects) [1], they have double standards when upholding their purported values matters the most [2,3].
A publicly traded company is not able to protect your interests long term.
@zed @royaards
Apple implicitly claims that if you pay a premium for their hardware, they'll treat you better than tech companies in the freemium business model. That was probably true at one point, but it stopped being true years ago.
The first two reads are from the excellent @pluralistic. He sometimes drops a bit too many jawdropping facts at once, but he does a great job of providing sources.
[1] https://pluralistic.net/2022/11/14/luxury-surveillance/#liar-liar
[2] https://pluralistic.net/2021/05/18/unhealthy-balance-sheet/#think-manorialism
[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html
@tastyraspberry @royaards @pluralistic Like my original post said, Apple does have problems, but selling their customers data is not one of them (and none of the source material you linked to argues otherwise).
Edward@zed @tastyraspberry @royaards @pluralistic https://tosdr.org/en/service/158
They dont sell data, but still dont do the best things with it
They dont sell data, but still dont do the best things with it
@yugthebug @zed @royaards @pluralistic Selling vs. indirectly giving access to user data: a distinction without a meaningful difference.
1) collect the data
2) make assumptions (e.g. whether you're part of a minority, prone to spending impulsively, what your stance on refugees might be...) based on it
3) tell other companies that they can advertise to users based on one of hundreds of criteria, such as the above
This is why Google, Facebook and Apple can all claim they don't sell your data.
@yugthebug @zed @royaards @pluralistic So technically @zed is correct by claiming Apple doesn't sell user data. But most companies engaging in advertising don't, and it's still an unethical shitshow, so it's a moot point.